Topic: PICTURES of 67 Vacuum Canister/Resevoirs with any Related Vacuum Parts/Hoses

[67gtasanjose]

PURPOSE OF THREAD: to establish production date changes and variances of the 1967 running changes at the three assembly plants in the United States, using as many images as we can obtain, preferably of unrestored 67 Mustangs or Cougars (though all examples are acceptable to post)  With all the recent discussions on vacuum canisters, I thought we might collect these images without a lot of dialogue surrounding them. Like Sgt. Friday says on Dragnet..."Facts, only the FACTS!"

I realize some discussion will likely occur but if we can keep it to a minimum it may help avoid confusion. I encourage any club judges such as MCA, SAAC as well as any other club judges (present or past) to participate WITH COMMENTS as much as required to establish the FACTS of these running changes.

The intentions are to take the collected data and provide a Library document to assist others in a clear restoration guideline to their example, using a few selected images as a reference guide.

Please answer as many questions as possible that apply to the example you are posting images of.

QUICK QUESTION/ANSWER SHEET for the survey:

67 Mustang __ or 67 Cougar __
Production Date:__/__/__
Assembly Plant? Dearborn__ San Jose__ NJ__
Consecutive VIN# (first 3 of the last 6 digits minimum) ___,XXX
UNRESTORED? yes__ no__ unknown__
Year of Purchase ____ (how long have you had your car?)
Factory Air Conditioning? yes__ no__
Tilt-Away Column? yes__ no__
Speed Control? yes__ no__ Factory Installed? __
Location of mounting: RH (passengers side) Hinge Area (under hood) __
                                 RH (passengers side) Rear Apron (inside fender well) __
                                 Beneath Battery, on Bracket __
                                 OTHER (please explain)______________________
                                 Cougar Headlamp Canister (where)_____________
Quantity of canisters present: __

Any other questions we should be asking? Let me know.

My answers to the survey:

My IMAGES: (updated 12/6/14)~Perfectly match A/C San Jose images Jeff Posted below

67 Mustang
11/2/1966 (scheduled build date 11/01/1966)
San Jose
#127,4XX
Unrestored (but under restoration)
owned since 1978
Factory AC
Tilt-Away
RH Hinge Area
Oblong Canister: one large port, one small (known as early design)
NO 2nd canister present, no signs of it being there

[J_Speegle]

We'll have to see how it goes and adjust or modify our post (rather than add a new post) to fit where every it leads us -

Would suggest RH change to PS or passenger side. Just a pet peeve since it is less confusing for some

Some of its going to be difficult for me since I've got just pictures. Would expect allot of black or "I don't know" responses

Here we go- I will leave out about 50% of what I've got - leaving cars that have been restored, just mounting holes and such out this first pass.

We may need Scott's help on the Cougars since I don't have a cross reference between VINs and projected build dates on those cars

Sorry for so many comments as I know you want - just the facts in this thread

[J_Speegle]

SAN JOSE

Note: One or more may be from earlier threads

67 Mustang
Projected build date - 9/13/66
San Jose
#7R01C1038xx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 10/5/66
San Jose
#7R02S114xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 10/7/66 (real build date 12/20/66)
San Jose
#7R03S115xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 10/11/66
San Jose
#7R01S116xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
(real build date 11/10/66)
San Jose
#7R01A130xxx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 11/22/66
San Jose
#7R01A1394xx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 12/28/66
San Jose
#7R01C159xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 1/3/67
San Jose
#7R01C162xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 1/21/67
San Jose
#7R02C172xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 2/26/67
San Jose
#7R01C186xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 3/2/67
San Jose
#7R03C188xxx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustang
Projected build date - 4/5/67
San Jose
#7R01C195xxx
Factory Tilt
No Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible





Let me know if this does not fit what you were planning for the thread

[Bob Gaines]

Wasn't the canister mounted under the spring on the apron only used for A/C or was that type used for tilt also when A/C was present? I have seen the coffee can reservoirs used for tilt and no A/C. Is that the pattern that the pattern people are seeing or not?

[J_Speegle]

Wasn't the canister mounted under the spring on the apron only used for A/C or was that type used for tilt also when A/C was present? I have seen the coffee can reservoirs used for tilt and no A/C. Is that the pattern that the pattern people are seeing or not?

May be we will know or have a better idea once we collect and share all the data There is a "coffee can" style sometimes found  on the battery box and one that is found on the passenger side rear inner fender/apron

[ruppstang]

Jeff do I understand that your last picture was a tilt with out a any can? If so it could not have worked as Ford intended.
Marty

[67gtasanjose]

I wonder if we shouldn't number each image for any related discussion to prevent confusion.

On the image with Projected build date - 11/22/66, San Jose, #7R01A1394xx,   Pictured is a suspicious looking check valve. I have seen those valves  before, but I am not sure it is correct for this application.

"Judges"... Please provide input on this item for the sake of clarity. I do know the hoses on the same side of this check valve are pass-thru, meaning the check valve is not between those two of the three hoses seen in the image.

Another image looks to have incorrect data (vehicle options) provided. That image is of the "Coffee Can" style canister with the built in check valve. The provided information (presently) states: 67 Mustang, (real build date 3/27/66), San Jose, #7R01A194xxx, Factory AC
, Passenger Side Hinge Area, No forward PS canister visible.

This vehicle clearly does NOT have Factory A/C. It may be possible to have a dealer installation or aftermarket but the blower motor cannot be seen under the hood of a Factory Installed A/C system.

Last, I have updated the title of the thread to include "...with any Related Vacuum Parts/Hoses" since often they are seen in these images.

Richard

[J_Speegle]

Removed the one data entry above that was obviously not a factory AC car - and pictures did not provide it it was a tilt car

Jeff do I understand that your last picture was a tilt with out a any can? If so it could not have worked as Ford intended.
Marty

Marty only showing that on that particular car there was no rear mounted canister in the pictures. Have none of the front battery tray area.

"Judges"... Please provide input on this item for the sake of clarity. I do know the hoses on the same side of this check valve are pass-thru, meaning the check valve is not between those two of the three hoses seen in the image.

Believe #7R01A1394xx is an aftermarket replacement but the other three examples with the check valve look like what I'm seeing. Have additional pictures showing just the hose and valve but in some they are further to the drivers side it appears

[J_Speegle]

Next batch - 67 Dearborn Cougars

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67 Cougar
Projected build date - 11/22/66
Dearborn
#7F91C5288xx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Cougar
Projected build date -1/9/67
Dearborn
# 7F91A5511xx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible



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67 Cougar
Actual build date - 2/6/67
Dearborn
#7F93A5625xx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Cougar
Actual build date - 2/6/67
Dearborn
#7F91A5629xx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Cougar
Actual build date  - 3/6/67
Dearborn
#7F93A5215xx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area




Factory Tilt
Passenger Side Battery tray

[67gta289]

i][/u][/b] Like Sgt. Friday says on Dragnet..."Facts, only the FACTS!"

Sidebar question - what type of steering wheel was in the car they typically drove in the 67-70 seasons?

[ruppstang]

67 Mustang
Projected build date 3/27/67
Dearborn
# 7F03C181434
Factory AC
Factory Tilt
Passenger Side Hinge Area
Forward Tilt Canister Under Battery

[J_Speegle]

Next batch - 67 Dearborn Mustangs

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67 Mustangs
Projected build date - 11/4/66
Dearborn
#7F01C1153xx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible




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67 Mustangs
Projected build date - 12/7/66
Dearborn
#7F01C1291xx
Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area



Factory Tilt
No forward PS canister visible/present




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67 Mustangs
Projected build date - 12/17/66
Dearborn
#7F02C1373xx

Factory Tilt ?
No forward PS canister visible

Factory AC
Passenger Side Hinge Area




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67 Mustangs
Projected build date - 5/23/67
Dearborn
#7F01C2045xx
Factory AC - No

Factory Tilt



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67 Mustangs
Projected build date - 5/??/67
Dearborn
#7F01C24xxx
Factory AC
Factory Tilt ?
Passenger Side Hinge Area
No forward PS canister visible

[roddster]

67 Mustang, S code, GTA option
built 10/29/1966  Released 11/01/1966
San Jose assembly
7R01S129XXX
unrestored (died in 1978/79 and hasn't run since)
Bought in July 2011 (96,000 miles)
A/C? yes
Tilt? Yes
 Speed control? no
  Canister is at the right hood hinge
 One canister.  No evidence of any canister or mounting near or under the battery area
  Photo is similar to the others

[67gtasanjose]

67 Mustang, S code, GTA option
built 10/29/1966  Released 11/01/1966
San Jose assembly
7R01S129XXX
unrestored (died in 1978/79 and hasn't run since)
Bought in July 2011 (96,000 miles)
A/C? yes
Tilt? Yes
 Speed control? no
  Canister is at the right hood hinge
 One canister.  No evidence of any canister or mounting near or under the battery area
  Photo is similar to the others

I like your example, along with Marty's example (If memory serves, his was actual built 11/4/66), we are narrowing down the window quite a bit for "original" build details on my 11/2/66 example.

This image and information lends to the notion that EARLY built 67's with AC usually DID NOT have the 2nd canister under the battery tray if they also had the Tilt-Away option.
I understand (possibly stated in another thread, that I cannot recall what thread right now)  that there was information stated in some sort of literature from Ford mentioning that items were NOT supposed to share vacuum sources with other options. (I believe Marty R. had uploaded an image of the memo or article) With that knowledge, that suggests that the engineers felt there was an issue with the sharing of the sources. A date off of that image might help identify when they wrote it and a date would possibly help determine and/or narrow assembly line variations as well.

Roddster, if the vacuum hoses look to be unmolested, can you get images of the under dash AND underhood routings of the hoses? Maybe also a close-up of the hoses (green with white stripe) themselves, preferably cleaned off a bit to help identify the color markings?

I will likely be in touch with you in a PM soon, but I have to leave for work now. I might need to edit this since I have not proof read it yet.

Richard

[mikelj5S230]

That's a good idea about the under dash parts, I would also be interested in seeing the vacuum release valve details as well.