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Offline pnsy56shop

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what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« on: July 26, 2014, 01:08:49 PM »
What color were the V.I.N.. plate rivets for  March of 1968 San Jose built GT/CS.
I've search the forum here and didn't find any theads on the subject. It' been suggested that they should be a rosette color per federal regulations but did ford use them?
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 01:51:01 PM »
You're talking about the windshield VIN plate?
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 02:52:56 PM »
Yes, windshield
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 07:09:34 PM »
Hope these help




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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2014, 07:16:43 AM »
"Rosette" is the type of rivet, not the color.  Style of the head, slightly different to a basic pop rivet, a few variations.
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 11:11:24 PM »
Quote from: pnsy56shop on July 26, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
.............. It' been suggested that they should be a rosette color per federal regulations but did ford use them?

That style (6 sided head)  of rivet was used but it depends on plant, and time period
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 05:35:01 PM »
Some cars used a pan head Philips screw not rivet
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 09:52:41 PM »
Quote from: sportyworty on July 29, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Some cars used a pan head Philips screw not rivet

I've not see that before - nor do the auto thief books from the period list screws as an accepted practice.

Will PM
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014, 10:47:24 PM »
You were involved in this thread here
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/concours-forum/571693-vin-plate-talk-not-allowed.html

http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/540272-need-new-dash-vin-plate-2.html

there was mention in this thread here
http://californiaspecial.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10600.html



Personally Dearborn May and San Jose July.

There were 3 different styles based on my years in the hobby, Rosette, plain style rivet and some Black Phosphate Pan phillips head.

I have a pic somewhere and will look


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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2014, 11:04:00 PM »
IMHO I have not seen the screws to be original for any of the Mustang Plants though I'm sure some PO's reattached them with screws. I'll look for other examples from the plants and months you listed to illustrate that.

Sure there would have to be hundreds if not thousands of cars with screws if that was the norm.


Did recheck the 70 NATB Motor Vehicle Identification Manual that states 1970-68- VIN Stamped into Metal Tab (1970 Stainless Steel, 1969-68 Aluminum) Riveted to Instrument Pane: 1970-1969 on Left Hand Side, 1968 on Right Hand Side. VIN Visible Through Windshield

Believe there is possibly a reference to the attachment method in the TSB articles and in the Dealer communications.  Also have a early 70's Auto thief handbook I'll check

Are you thinking that screws were used when all of the plants rivet tools (must have had a few with all the lines and at least some back ups) were broken/not available like the radiator support seal stapler at Dearborn?
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014, 11:05:45 PM »
and here with a pic



http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/540272-need-new-dash-vin-plate-2.html

no one said it was the norm quite the opposite is MHO.

No One has seen more than just a small sampling of what was produced in total. Some more than others but still a small amount
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 11:19:16 PM »
Guess that we should suggest to others that screws were not the norm and suggest that owners be careful with their choices ;)

Hate to see anyone lose a car or end up in court over such a small detail - but have seen it happen :(
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2014, 12:21:57 AM »
Quote from: J_Speegle on July 31, 2014, 11:04:00 PM
Are you thinking that screws were used when all of the plants rivet tools (must have had a few with all the lines and at least some back ups) were broken/not available like the radiator support seal stapler at Dearborn?

I am not one for speculation Jeff but perhaps something like that happened.
The fact that several have witnessed the exact same screw selection has validity. I am very confident that my personal cars were not tampered with. I inspected them very closely because they were not the norm therefore researched and found others had witnessed the same.
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2014, 12:28:31 AM »
Thanks for sharing will continue to look at this detail as well as others in my travels as I'm sure you will  :)
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Re: what color were v.i.n. plate rivets
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2014, 12:44:30 AM »
I hope not to be the lucky curator of any more cars with them :)


It is good for the hobby that we make mention and not denounce. Broad strokes can often be proven wrong in Ford speak. Mass production of a low priced car with 1000's of components by low paid workers at different plants leads to anomalies as witnessed frequently on all of the car specific forums.
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