Topic: 65' 289 timing chain cover question

[ptosborn1111]

I have a timing chain cover that is (appears to be) painted factory blue original paint. ? Where the paint is coming off there is no other color below and the whole piece is painted (except the gasket surfaces). The paint surface looks like it was done by manufactured machine process (very smooth and evenly coated). It is stamped C5OE-6059 and has a FoMoCo and HEFFIELD logo stamped on it as well. No other number markings. Can some one identify what this might be?? True part or aftermarket? The fellow I got it from claims it is a 65' piece for a 289 but as stated previously these should have been black.  260=blue? I am guessing this part is all wrong and I will have to find a better piece for use on my car. Thank god it was free.
Pat

[s2ms]

What is the date code? It will be very close to the timing pointer, a small circle with the two digit year (65,66,etc.) surrounded by a series of hash marks, kind of like a sun dial. There will also be some very small dots (bumps) on or near the hash marks. The number of dots is the month.

Dave

[ptosborn1111]

Thanks Dave. I will check this tonight after work. I remember seeing this next to the pointer.
Pat

[livetoride60]

That's a "SHEFFIELD" logo.  It's a real piece if it has the FoMoCo, C5OE part #, and Sheffield logo.  It should also have a couple more characters below or at the end of the C5OE #, most likely an A1.  C5OE-6059-A1 was the new timing cover introduced at change L8 in June 1965 (have also seen May 65 - Aug 65 as the L8 date range) to handle the cast iron water pump.  It will have seven ribs on top to support the weight.  Pre-L8 timing covers for '65 had  C4** numbers, and only two ribs at the top.  Your C5OE cover was used on through 66 and into 67, so as s2ms said, you can check the date circle to see what you have. 

PS:  Bob Mannel's book "Mustang & Ford Small block V8" is an invaluable resource.

[jwc66k]

What is missing from all this is what is the build date of your Mustang. From that bit of information a determination of what the correct timing cover is for your car.
Jim

[CharlesTurner]

Having the original engine tag will determine L7 or L8.  Without the tag, things get a little hazy if the car was built in May/June of '65.

[ptosborn1111]

I stated in a few other threads that the order sheet says 4/3/65 and deliver says 5/15/65. This is not an exact build date obviously, however and I am waiting on the restoration shop to give me more definitive info off the car. I can justify an approximation of what date range the car was built for now and now tell more info about the timing chain cover from what all have said. I unfortunately do not have an engine tag. And unfortunately there is not a suffix after the 6059#, Just C5OE-6059. Thanks again guys, I'll keep searching.
Pat

[livetoride60]

Don't think I've seen one without a suffix.  Sometimes it is below the 6059 number.  Some examples below from 65, 66, and 67.

[CharlesTurner]

I stated in a few other threads that the order sheet says 4/3/65 and deliver says 5/15/65. This is not an exact build date obviously, however and I am waiting on the restoration shop to give me more definitive info off the car. I can justify an approximation of what date range the car was built for now and now tell more info about the timing chain cover from what all have said. I unfortunately do not have an engine tag. And unfortunately there is not a suffix after the 6059#, Just C5OE-6059. Thanks again guys, I'll keep searching.
Pat

My opinion is that your car should have the early style timing cover and aluminum water pump.  Engine component date codes ranging from Feb-March '65.

[livetoride60]

That would be a C4OE-6059-A cover (per Bob Mannel's book) with a date circle of 65 with two or three (Feb or March) dots in the circle.  Sometimes instead of dots they use hash marks, but you get the idea.

Went through this previously for my car.  Please correct anyone if I have misrepresented.

[ptosborn1111]

So, for those you on memory medications! My build date (door tag date) is 5/7/65. My block is dated April (don't remember week, guess I need the meds too) . Maybe you remember Jeff. I have a line up on a timing chain cover and possibly a water pump (aluminum). It would be ideal to get a piece that is coded FEB-MAR but the timing chain cover is dated April.
Would this be to close or out of line to use on an April engine? I can continue to look if this raises eye brows.
Pat

[ptosborn1111]

And I understand if you can prove the timing chain cover is dated after block it makes no sense but if the date on the cover is several weeks before the block than is that ok is what I am asking?

[J_Speegle]

So, for those you on memory medications! My build date (door tag date) is 5/7/65. My block is dated April (don't remember week,............. It would be ideal to get a piece that is coded FEB-MAR but the timing chain cover is dated April.
Would this be to close or out of line to use on an April engine? I can continue to look if this raises eye brows.

I don't see an issue with a Feb/Mar timing cover on a April cast engine

And I understand if you can prove the timing chain cover is dated after block it makes no sense but if the date on the cover is several weeks before the block than is that ok is what I am asking?

I don't thing, in itself, having a timing cover dated after the casting of the block is an issue - But if its cast after the engine assembly date (often the casting and assembly date don't have a big span)  then its hard to accept

[livetoride60]

Can someone tell if this is a Feb or June 65 cover?  Has two big dots, plus 4 other very small ones.

[ptosborn1111]

Can I guess at Feb?