Topic: 67 Coupe = Black / Charcoal Metallic Standard Interior Colors Question

[IndyFive-O]

Refreshing the black interior of my 67' this winter and I don't know what gets painted with charcoal metallic and what gets black.
Doors?
Dash?
Rear Panels?
Steering Column?
other trim pieces ?

[J_Speegle]

Your year and body style

Doors, A pillar (if I remember correctly),  dash, steering column, quarter panel trim, glove box and ash tray

Black??? Bottom of the brake and (if you have manual) clutch pedal. Center of the dash trim and gauge bezel. Inside surface of the console trim if equipped, heater door and cable anchor bracket arms -  if non AC, Shifter indicator brackets if you have a console, defroster duct black out (under dash pad), drivers side fresh air vent

Think that's it but might have missed a small bracket or two

[Bob Gaines]

Your year and body style

Doors, A pillar (if I remember correctly),  dash, steering column, quarter panel trim, glove box and ash tray

Black??? Bottom of the brake and (if you have manual) clutch pedal. Center of the dash trim and gauge bezel. Inside surface of the console trim if equipped, heater door and cable anchor bracket arms -  if non AC, Shifter indicator brackets if you have a console, defroster duct black out (under dash pad), drivers side fresh air vent

Think that's it but might have missed a small bracket or two

To add -kick panels were black as well as hard backs and lower seat trim(if deluxe).

[ruppstang]

I believe that the dash pad to windshield trim strips were black as well.

[IndyFive-O]

Thanks guys.

I tried searching but couldn't find any good pictures of the charcoal metallic. I'd like to see a finished car to see how the contrast looks - you guys have any good pics of your dash / interior?

[J_Speegle]

Thanks guys.

I tried searching but couldn't find any good pictures of the charcoal metallic. I'd like to see a finished car to see how the contrast looks - you guys have any good pics of your dash / interior?

If we posted it it would just look  like a slightly off black the metallic and "frosted" look will normally not show up.

Really IMHO does not show up well in pictures unless you do a side by side comparison with two test panels. If you do a search you'll find (well should) suggestions on how to apply the Charcoal in relationship to the properties of most of the available paints out there

Bottom line is that is the correct finish so you don't have much choice in the process


This first picture likely shows the best look (notice the top of the steering column surface)

[Oz390]

Here are a few shots of SemiGloss black against a door with CGM. 

The alternator bracket is VHT GM Satin Black, the other (a convertible top frame side rail) is a semigloss black my shop did,  do not know the specific color code.

Hard to get a real good comparison, but you can see the "softer" frosted look in the greyer CGM.

HTH

[nham3407]

I have been researching the Charcoal color for the past 3 weeks for my 1/3/72, Dearborn Mach 1 dash.  I purchased the rattle can charcoal from NPD and applied it over flat black to keep tos keep the gloss down.  I have completed 4 different spray outs with various rattle can combinations and I am not happy with.  Does anyone have a proper formulation for the old Ditzler 9295 formula?  I would rather apply a correct paint formulation that try mutiple layers of rattle cans that could show some inconsistenty.

[IndyFive-O]

I have been researching the Charcoal color for the past 3 weeks for my 1/3/72, Dearborn Mach 1 dash.  I purchased the rattle can charcoal from NPD and applied it over flat black to keep tos keep the gloss down.  I have completed 4 different spray outs with various rattle can combinations and I am not happy with.  Does anyone have a proper formulation for the old Ditzler 9295 formula?  I would rather apply a correct paint formulation that try mutiple layers of rattle cans that could show some inconsistenty.

You read my mind, that brings me to my next question: what's the best way to put it down? NPD rattle cans, sprayer, or is anyone familiar with the Preval refillable sprayer?

Thanks for all the responses so far, they have all been very helpful.

[J_Speegle]

You read my mind, that brings me to my next question: what's the best way to put it down? NPD rattle cans, sprayer, or is anyone familiar with the Preval refillable sprayer?

As mentioned here and elsewhere - your likely going to use enamel rather than the original paint products.

Most of the Charcoals are pretty thin (lots of clear and metallics not much color:( so most spray a light full coat of semi-gloss black over a stripped bare surface to insure the most amount of grain will show through the finished product. Over this a couple of light dry coats of the Charcoal will produce a acceptable finish. Too much paint and you'll get a smooth (or at least smoother) finish and a glossy final look

Did this on my Boss years ago - got to redo it again

Number of related topics in the search feature - one example

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=4058.msg34927#msg34927

[Oz390]

In comparing the NPD to OEM parts off my 68's it is almost a perfect match.  Application is the trick.  I use  a base of SGB and then do 3-4 very light coats from ~12-16" away, it goes on a bit dry.  This keeps the charcoal metallic color better, as I found spraying too close and "wet" to leave a darker less metallic finish.

[nham3407]

Thank you for the additional feedback.  I have searched several other forums for Ford products and the Torino Cobra forum had some good information as well.

http://www.torinocobra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3913&p=24097&hilit=interior+black+paint+codes#p24097

I will try adjusting my distance back on another spray out sample of the NPD paint.  I have sprayed it over a base of black primer and will now try a base of SEM Trim Black. 

Thank you,
Brian

[Bob Gaines]

Thank you for the additional feedback.  I have searched several other forums for Ford products and the Torino Cobra forum had some good information as well.

http://www.torinocobra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3913&p=24097&hilit=interior+black+paint+codes#p24097

I will try adjusting my distance back on another spray out sample of the NPD paint.  I have sprayed it over a base of black primer and will now try a base of SEM Trim Black. 

Thank you,
Brian

I don't think you are going to get a proper/best  look on a large piece like dash ,doors etc. with the rattle can . At least that has been my experience. OK for small pieces maybe . I would use one of the professional lines. PPG etc. I believe it is formulated (strangely) as a lacquer with a flex agent in it. It drys very fast and you need to have good ventalation or at least you will have to open some doors after  because the fumes can be strong. You still have to have a black base to spray over for best results. It comes already very thin and you can spray it right from the can to the spray gun.

[nham3407]

Bob thank you.  I do agree that I would prefer to avoid the rattle cans, but I cannot find a formulation to get a quart of spray out paint.  I have gone to 3 different shops with the Ditzler numbers from the 72 Paint Sheets and they cannot cross reference the old numbers.  I would greatly appreciate someone throwing out a formulation they may use.  I took a part over to see if they could color scan it and they scanning machine could not pick up the grays and kept returning black.

[J_Speegle]

Bob thank you.  I do agree that I would prefer to avoid the rattle cans, but I cannot find a formulation to get a quart of spray out paint.  I have gone to 3 different shops with the Ditzler numbers from the 72 Paint Sheets and they cannot cross reference the old numbers.  I would greatly appreciate someone throwing out a formulation they may use.  I took a part over to see if they could color scan it and they scanning machine could not pick up the grays and kept returning black.

Might want to try Auto Color Library/TCP Golbal - been mentioned a number of times in the past. Have used their "white" interior and have their "black"   just haven't had a need to shot the black as of yet..

http://tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%28roi%29+tcp+global+branded&utm_content=auto+color+library&utm_term=auto%20color%20library

Just a possibility