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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2013, 12:01:01 PM »
Charles, The good thing about our relationship is we can disagree and we are both OK with it. I appreciate that we can do that. One thing I think can be learned by many that would help all of these type disputes is to avoid as I call them "triangles". That is when someone hears something or says something about a situation to another without addressing the person directly. Pick up the phone and call them, it will resolve 98% before it comes to this. There are several involved in this thread that will attest to the fact that over the last year I have called to voice my concerns many times.

What exactly are we disagreeing on?  lol!
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2013, 10:06:18 PM »
What exactly are we disagreeing on?  lol!
usually not a lot  ;D
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2013, 05:40:09 PM »
                                                             Mandatory Start Rule ?

  It was brought to my attention at the Indy MCA National by a Thoroughbred participant that MCA had removed the exemption for THB and Unrestored class to start vehicle at registration. The same participant reported the MCA official at registration had a bad attitude and initially  denied entry when he said he would not start the car as the original battery was dry. Shortly after the show it was learned the same MCA official with the bad attitude was the same individual who made the change on the MCA website without approval from MCA judges meeting, MCA judging committee or MCA BOD. In Orlando the same MCA official told me he did not need anyones approval for minor changes on website. Well, I don't believe this was a minor change or rule clarification! This issue needs to be addressed in Dallas job 1!

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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2013, 06:30:44 PM »
There are very few change categories that do not need MCA BOD approval.  A sweeping change as big as the no-start deduction should have been approved.  Keep in mind that the original rule included Concours, Unrestored and T-bred.
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2013, 08:53:10 PM »
Whom would that jack a** ...Opps person be?
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2013, 10:52:38 PM »
There are only 2-3 people that have access to writing on the MCA website (at least that was the case when I was on the board), and I recognize only one individual on the MCA Internet Committee that was at the Orlando Show.
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2013, 11:35:06 PM »
..............change on the MCA website without approval from MCA judges meeting, MCA judging committee or MCA BOD. In Orlando the same MCA official told me he did not need anyones approval for minor changes on website. Well, I don't believe this was a minor change or rule clarification! ...........

IF its just a change on the web site then its not a change in the rules I guess since those require (always did in the last 30 years) the committee and BOD approval. But then the organization use to poll and get input from all the assistant head judges at least for major changes.

Only thing that didn't need approval as I understand was things that effected single classes like the color of a E brake handle and such. Orange peel and other rule changes that effected multiple classes 65-66 Concours Trailiered, 67-68 Concours Driven........ always had to go in for approval - the reason those changes had to be  processed before the last board meeting.


I'm planning on bringing up/correcting the flash light usage rule. Somehow the wording got switched from what the motion was to what was approved based on what I heard at Show Judges Meetings earlier this year. :(
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2013, 11:39:30 PM »
What is the flashlight rule?
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2013, 11:51:29 PM »
What is the flashlight rule?

The motion was made and passed by those in attendance last year. Basically it allowed for the first time judges to use flashlights for shows/cars that were shown inside buildings at a National show. The idea behind this was it put the cars (those inside and out) on different levels making it difficult for the judges inside to see all the details they could if the car was outside.

One of the concerns IMHO ( I made the motion ;) was that an owner shows his/her car inside a couple of times and since many of the details are missed the car could possibly be rewarded a Gold for example. Then the following show the car is judges outside - short comings are discovered and the car is awarded a Bronze. Its easy to see how that would reflect on the judging team, the awards and the organization. Instead it made sense to head off these possible issues by allow the use of flashlights in those situations like many other organizations do in those and other situations.

This really all developed out of a Shelby Tim and I judged a number of times. At one point the owner provided a CD of pictures taken of the car in good light (in an effort to improve the car off season) and we discovered some major issues that had remained hidden due to the poor or lack of light at indoor shows - the only ones this car had participated in up to that point.

Motion was made for indoor use only - but somehow it got changed to judges could used them any time and in any conditions.  Not the original intent nor vote. Should be quick and easy to fix IMHO
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2013, 12:48:53 AM »
Jeff,
Was there also something about using mirror's or is that just a bad rumor?
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2013, 11:09:06 AM »
Hey guys and gals

 The meeting site will be at the Courtyard.  It has been changed from AER.

 As I am I'm charge of the meet and greet on Friday night I need to know how many of you guys will be staying over till Sat morning.  It was not necessary to fill out an app but I do need a head count for dinner and the open bar.

Jeff
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2013, 01:27:26 PM »
Hi Jeff,
Count me in for all events including the board meeting on Sunday.
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2013, 03:37:53 PM »
I arrive Thursday afternoon, leave out first thing Saturday morning.
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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2013, 03:42:19 PM »
I'll be in late Thursday morning.

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Re: MCA Judge's Meeting - October 11, 2013 Dallas, TX
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2013, 07:30:24 PM »
I will be in Thursday mid morning.
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