Topic: Reverse light wiring clip Q?

[roddster]

I'm reassembling my 67 GT 350, 4 spd early car.  Well, there is a wiring clip that is there to hold the reverse light wiring harness. 
Problem is, 1) if it is under the splash shield, how does one know it is there or not there.
                  2) There are no holes in the boot for the wiring into or out of the  shield for the small diameter harness.
                  3) according to the assembly manual, it goes onto the shifter base, the drawing is lousy and          I'm not sure that they are also covering the three speed applications.  Seems to go onto the forward mount.  The wiring then would need to loop into/under the shield then back out of it.  Is this true?
                  4) or does the clip mount somewhere outside of the shield, if so where?

   Thanks for your thoughtful answer(s).  A photo of the wiring near the shifter would be nice if possible.

[roddster]

  Not trying to answer my own question but I'm fiddling with this today.

   If you look at the attachment photo, the clip ,where it is at right now is the only way I can see it being mounted for the following reasons:
 1)  This is an NPD repop clip.  The only one available is for the 1969's.  This is one of them.  I have been told that the genuine 67 clip is about a quarter inch shorter.  If I had one I'd be using it.
 2)  Then if it mounts here,  the base of the clip is squeezed between the support tube and the shifter base.  That is the original bolt, and it is not long enough to put the clip on, then a nut/washer to hold it outside the shifter base.  There are not enough threads sticking out.
  3)  Either way, if it mounts here, I'll need to put a small slice in the boot.  There is no hole for the clip to protrude through the boot otherwise.  The boot is a repop one also, so, maybe it was made to fit more cars than this application.  So they made it without a slit for this clip (I think).

    Now. I've still got to plate the shifter base so I have a few days before I'll be putting this together in this manner.  If the clip faced up, that too will be OK but the boot will be pulled in right there.  Seems to be a more comfortable mounting this way.  The clip the is also close to the floor
   There is no picture of this mounting in the Ford service manuals 68 and 70.  The assembly manual shows it, but shows no boot, so here we are.

[Bob Gaines]

  Not trying to answer my own question but I'm fiddling with this today.

   If you look at the attachment photo, the clip ,where it is at right now is the only way I can see it being mounted for the following reasons:
 1)  This is an NPD repop clip.  The only one available is for the 1969's.  This is one of them.  I have been told that the genuine 67 clip is about a quarter inch shorter.  If I had one I'd be using it.
 2)  Then if it mounts here,  the base of the clip is squeezed between the support tube and the shifter base.  That is the original bolt, and it is not long enough to put the clip on, then a nut/washer to hold it outside the shifter base.  There are not enough threads sticking out.
  3)  Either way, if it mounts here, I'll need to put a small slice in the boot.  There is no hole for the clip to protrude through the boot otherwise.  The boot is a repop one also, so, maybe it was made to fit more cars than this application.  So they made it without a slit for this clip (I think).

    Now. I've still got to plate the shifter base so I have a few days before I'll be putting this together in this manner.  If the clip faced up, that too will be OK but the boot will be pulled in right there.  Seems to be a more comfortable mounting this way.  The clip the is also close to the floor
   There is no picture of this mounting in the Ford service manuals 68 and 70.  The assembly manual shows it, but shows no boot, so here we are.

It is not mounted where you think. It is mounted in the most forward of the shifter control mounting threaded holes on the trans. It is positioned so that the clip portion hangs over the top of the trans pretty much parallel to the ground. The wire is therefore held up away from the shifter control . I hope this helps. Sorry I don't have access to a picture at the moment. 

[TLea]

Its the rear upper cover bolt on the drivers side. 69 one is slightly different than 67/68 one but once installed its real tough to tell the difference

[roddster]

Uh-oh. Two respected judges.  One says front, the other says rear.  Now what........?

[J_Speegle]

Uh-oh. Two respected judges.  One says front, the other says rear.  Now what........?

Then you get another   and another (sorry this just may confuse things more

From Jacks web site

Year: 1969
Condition: NEW Reproduction
Description: Backup wire harness retainer
Application: 302, 351W, 390, GT350/500,428 S/CJ, Boss 302, Boss 429 with manual transmission
Other Applications: 67-68 Mustang/Shelby but you need two.  They get mounted into the first and last screw holes on the top of the transmission cover. They are installed with the bracket facing the top of the tunnel.  It was also used on 1970 Mustangs with 3 spd transmissions.
Part #: C9ZB-14A163-B

http://www.deadnutson.com/catalog/item/4065497/4995774.htm


But Jack had this posted at one time - but maybe he's changed his opinion from that posting (below)

[Bob Gaines]

Then you get another   and another (sorry this just may confuse things more

From Jacks web site

Year: 1969
Condition: NEW Reproduction
Description: Backup wire harness retainer
Application: 302, 351W, 390, GT350/500,428 S/CJ, Boss 302, Boss 429 with manual transmission
Other Applications: 67-68 Mustang/Shelby but you need two.  They get mounted into the first and last screw holes on the top of the transmission cover. They are installed with the bracket facing the top of the tunnel.  It was also used on 1970 Mustangs with 3 spd transmissions.
Part #: C9ZB-14A163-B

http://www.deadnutson.com/catalog/item/4065497/4995774.htm


But Jack had this posted at one time - but maybe he's changed his opinion from that posting (below)

Like I said in reply #2 - "It is mounted in the most forward of the shifter control mounting threaded holes on the trans." The dead nuts on picture that  Jeff posted illustrates the most forward hole for mounting the clip.    I have never seen it mounted under the top loader cover bolt.

[specialed]

He asked about 67 mounting & jacks photo is 69 & in correct location for 69 3& 4 speed & 70 3 speed (non hurst) but jacks holder looks like wrong style (unless old photo made before correct (ones eddie made from my original) were out around 2007.  The 67-68 reverse wire mounting to trans is totally different from 69 & don't it route between shifter boot & plate & use 2 holders that shifter mounting bolts go thru.  I compared the c7zz wire holder to c9zz holder & they are almost identical & not enough difference to make but if you have 67-68 you need 2 holders & don't think you can even see them when installed behind boot.

[Bob Gaines]

He asked about 67 mounting & jacks photo is 69 & in correct location for 69 3& 4 speed & 70 3 speed (non hurst) but jacks holder looks like wrong style (unless old photo made before correct (ones eddie made from my original) were out around 2007.  The 67-68 reverse wire mounting to trans is totally different from 69 & don't it route between shifter boot & plate & use 2 holders that shifter mounting bolts go thru.  I compared the c7zz wire holder to c9zz holder & they are almost identical & not enough difference to make but if you have 67-68 you need 2 holders & don't think you can even see them when installed behind boot.

So in what way is a 67/68 different in the mounting compared to the 69?

[TLea]

Like I said in reply #2 - "It is mounted in the most forward of the shifter control mounting threaded holes on the trans." The dead nuts on picture that  Jeff posted illustrates the most forward hole for mounting the clip.    I have never seen it mounted under the top loader cover bolt.

sorry, brain fart.     like picture below

[roddster]

  Alrighty then.  Onto the forward shifter mounting bolt it shall go.  Tim, thanks for the photo, I've been looking for a photo for a couple of years now.  Bob, thanks for the direction,  next time you crawl under the car, you'll see it there.
  The history here was, although when I bought the car in 1971, the owner used to street race it in East Chicago In.  It had a really heavy clutch in it and a Lakewood bellhousing was in a box in the trunk.  So, the trans had to have been out once or twice to do this.  I figure now that is when the clip disappeared then.  I never saw one there.

[Bossbill]

It should be noted that Roddster has a GT350 and all of the answers in this thread, including pictures, are for a big block application. The shifter plate is unique to BB top loaders so we can't mount the clip in a place that doesn't exist on the small blocks.