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Offline sah62

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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2012, 09:46:40 AM »
They're not being reproduced so you're going to have to find a good used one. I might be able to reproduce them, but that'll take time to figure out.
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2012, 10:52:32 AM »
I need those cowl spacers soon too, springtime, thanks scott
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2012, 11:02:05 AM »
Scott I think those 70 mach 1 moulding would be easy to make or find replacement out there as most cars are missing them & if car has been apart or painted they got tossed as body guys never watched where they go & are easy broken (very thin) when removed & you don't use the door bottom rubbers when these are used. I never heard that not all 70 mach1s used them & where did that info come from?

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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2012, 11:21:29 AM »
Scott,
I have lots of time before I need a set. I would think you would sell lots of them since most restored cars no longer have them, since the originals either broke or got lost. I never got any when I got my car in a box of parts.
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2012, 10:52:31 PM »
Scott I think those 70 mach 1 moulding would be easy to make or find replacement out there as most cars are missing them & if car has been apart or painted they got tossed as body guys never watched where they go & are easy broken (very thin) when removed & you don't use the door bottom rubbers when these are used. I never heard that not all 70 mach1s used them & where did that info come from?

Ed, here's the evidence that not all 70 Mach 1's used them:

From the Osborn 1970 Mustang Body Assembly Manual, p.13 "Front End Section" that mostly deals with blackout. This black plastic strip is illustrated in Figure 2 and Views F and H as item #6. Item 6 is described as "(DOZB-63101B62) filler - 1 reqd. each side for Mach 1 only (DOZB)". This drawing is dated 11-18-69 and supersedes the drawing from 9-20-64[sic] [probably a typo for 9-20-69].

The note at the bottom is the clincher. "Effective with CZY1-DR-527839 - added item 6, (DOZB-63101B62) filler, revised Fig. 2 and View "F". Added View "H"."

As this is effective part way into the model year, earlier production Mach 1s would not have been built with this part.

There's more in the second part of this note about another rolling change: "Removed item 3, blackout paint from cowl top area, removed view "A" ". This indicates intent at least to stop blacking out past what appears from the illustration to be the firewall pinch weld.

It's funny what you point out about that bottom door seal (the rubber one that attaches to the door). Page 58 of the same source states for this item (5) - "NOTE: Delete when RPO rocker panel mouldings are used." This drawing is dated 8-15-69, superseding the one from 6-12-69. I didn't know this and don't quite understand the rationale for deleting it as the rocker mouldings sit flush level (or slightly lower) to the door sill. I can see where adding the plastic filler strip over the sill might interfere with the rubber, but without it the sill/door interface is identical to other models. Yet, this note is included in a drawing dated before the inclusion of the plastic filler strip, so what to think?

There's a little meat to chew on ...
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2012, 11:12:09 PM »
There's more in the second part of this note about another rolling change: "Removed item 3, blackout paint from cowl top area, removed view "A" ". This indicates intent at least to stop blacking out past what appears from the illustration to be the firewall pinch weld.........

Unfortunately The assembly manuals don't always match what they (Ford) really did - this ins just another example since we know they continued to black out the top of the cowl from the firewall pinchweld to the windshield opening though there might have been a short period (weeks) were they stopped for some reason


Will have to look for more examples of the lower door seal on 70 Mach's to see if they did go beyond thinking of deleting them as mentioned in the text. As usual we have no idea if the day, week or month after the page we have was replaced with another saying leave the seal.  So many questions ;)
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 10:25:25 AM »
Anyone? Because of the recent post relating to the plastic pos, does anyone have a spare for sale?
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 05:09:10 PM »
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Item 6 is described as "(DOZB-63101B62) filler - 1 reqd. each side for Mach 1 only (DOZB)". This drawing is dated 11-18-69 and supersedes the drawing from 9-20-64


makes sense cause my 9-30-69 Metuchen Mach doesn't have them and never did, and my 1/70 Dearborn Mach does......

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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2013, 10:33:01 AM »
my 10-20-69 Dearborn definitely had them, I  removed rear seat and original carpet which revealed buildsheets. So im positive its required on mine. I just wanted to bring this topic up again and maybe someone would have a spare or two
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 08:32:13 AM »
I'm talking with some manufacturers about the possibility of reproducing this part. One question for those of you who have them: how long are they? I have a set and one is 49 5/16" and the other is 49". The length may be inconsistent due to being cut by a person, and if so I may just use the length of my rocker panel moldings as a guide.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 08:33:55 AM by sah62 »
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2013, 12:09:44 PM »
scott, mine measures exactly 49", i pulled off my car which was never restored and has original everything inside down to carpet and build sheets, even original gold paint on exterior, 49" fits perfectly. Thanks alot scott.
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2013, 10:34:05 PM »
I finally got one off ebay, guy is out of ontario, he has a basement of goodies which he has decided to sell . I talked to him on the phone, real nice guy. He has posted lots of Mach stuff, I felt like i was the first guy on the scene of a gold mine. Looks like the stuff is in great shape.  two years of searching, Yeeeha. Oh 49" too. Hey 70cj428 where did you find that number DOZB-63101B62 for the filler??? in the Master parts??
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2013, 09:49:45 PM »
Congratulations on your find, rayms69!

I've never once seen those offered for sale or even spoke to anyone who'd handled them. You've nailed one of the more elusive parts on that car!

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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 11:39:12 AM »
he has 3 left, had two pairs. punanator is his ebay name,slow shipper though
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Re: 1970 mach 1 door sill
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2013, 10:37:05 PM »
here is a pic of the black plastic strip behind the Mach 1 molding on a 70....
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