Topic: What does Concours restored mean, exactly?

[Bob Gaines]

You, on your "soap box", or prowling junk yards with a camera in hand, or commenting on cars with owners at car shows, have been more helpful to this hobby than you or a lot of others can imagine.
Thanks
Jim
MCA 28774

+1 . I agree with this sentiment .

[specialed]

+1 on that why dont we see any of jeffs photos from junkyards  in the NE?

[J_Speegle]

+1 on that why dont we see any of jeffs photos from junkyards  in the NE?

Been looking the last two days and it seems they are hiding them from me. Plus its a bit hot and muggy out here to be digging around the yards.

I seem to prefer less humidity and heat LOL  Good thing for some lobster prices have hit rock bottom - so m,uch the boats were staying at the docks this am

[specialed]

Jeff dont get Tetnuis while out there from them rusty cars & the only good photos you will get in NE is interior shots as out your way the interiors are totally cooked. If lobsters are down now will have to call emery in maine & have a shippment sent to IN again & get more beer!!!!

[NEFaurora]

Don't know if any of you guys have noticed, but AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) run out of Carlisle, PA has changed all its rules so that a car MUST have oil and MUST run, and MUST be driven onto the showfield so that it can compete, otherwise it is disqualified.  MCA should INSIST the same if it has not already.

Tony K.

[CharlesTurner]

I disagree with that.  There are many cars restored with the only intention of making them a rolling museum piece.  It makes no sense to put oil and gas in a car that only gets fired up maybe once or twice a year to take to a show.  It's not worth the extra effort in maintenance and deterioration of fuel systems and internal seals.

I don't think this is a new thing with AACA, I saw it in their rules a couple years ago.  I totally respect their decision as a club to put such a rule in place, but I don't see the need for it for certain cars.  Maybe it's a safety thing for the show site, who knows.

Like anything else, just remember that there are others in the hobby that enjoy it a different way.  No need to trample all over their choices.

[C5ZZKGT]

Don't know if any of you guys have noticed, but AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) run out of Carlisle, PA has changed all its rules so that a car MUST have oil and MUST run, and MUST be driven onto the showfield so that it can compete, otherwise it is disqualified.  MCA should INSIST the same if it has not already.

Tony K.

 +1 I agree wholeheartedly!!

[C5ZZKGT]

I disagree with that.  There are many cars restored with the only intention of making them a rolling museum piece.  It makes no sense to put oil and gas in a car that only gets fired up maybe once or twice a year to take to a show.  It's not worth the extra effort in maintenance and deterioration of fuel systems and internal seals.

I don't think this is a new thing with AACA, I saw it in their rules a couple years ago.  I totally respect their decision as a club to put such a rule in place, but I don't see the need for it for certain cars.  Maybe it's a safety thing for the show site, who knows.

Like anything else, just remember that there are others in the hobby that enjoy it a different way.  No need to trample all over their choices.

Charles, It all goes back to what I understand the MCA (Concours anyway) to be: THEY have stated that THEY want the cars in "AS DELIVERED" condition, and last I knew that every NEW 1965 Mustang was driven off the dealers lot by the original owner WITH gas, oil, coolant, trans fluid, windsheild washer fluid, power steering fluid, ect, so again may be I've been mis-understanding what the MCA means by "As Delivered"

[CharlesTurner]

As I said, it is a personal choice.  MCA Thoroughbred does not require the car to be started.  Why start a car that is shown only once every 1-2 years and not driven?  Why is it so hard for people to understand this concept?

[J_Speegle]

Charles, It all goes back to what I understand the MCA (Concours anyway) to be: THEY have stated that THEY want the cars in "AS DELIVERED" condition, and last I knew that every NEW 1965 Mustang was driven off the dealers lot by the original owner WITH gas, oil, ...................

Well not every one - people like Gas Ronda had to trailer their cars away while, others were taken from Ford short any drive train ("body in white vehicles")   Sorry could not miss the opportunity

[PerkinsRestoration]

Charles, It all goes back to what I understand the MCA (Concours anyway) to be: THEY have stated that THEY want the cars in "AS DELIVERED" condition, and last I knew that every NEW 1965 Mustang was driven off the dealers lot by the original owner WITH gas, oil, coolant, trans fluid, windsheild washer fluid, power steering fluid, ect, so again may be I've been mis-understanding what the MCA means by "As Delivered"

  Would "As Delivered" disqualify everyone with Taiwan parts or no peel in the paint as well? Much easier to charge a Nos battery or rebuild the dead original than putting orange peel back in the paint. I would much rather see a row of unrestored pushers than a row of Taiwan color change fake GT's at Shows . That's what's so cool about MCA national shows, there is a class for all Mustangs.

[Brian Conway]

As I said, it is a personal choice.  MCA Thoroughbred does not require the car to be started.  Why start a car that is shown only once every 1-2 years and not driven?  Why is it so hard for people to understand this concept?

Perhaps naming the class ' MCA Thoroughbred Static Display '  would be more accurate.  Brian

[CharlesTurner]

Perhaps naming the class ' MCA Thoroughbred Static Display '  would be more accurate.  Brian

There is no requirement for the cars to be running for that class, although there is also no requirement that they can't run.  I have seen several T-bred cars driven on and off the show field.  Nothing wrong with that, again, just a choice.

An entire MCA National show is pretty much a static display.

[69grandecj]

What about requiring the Marti Report in the Concours Class?  I know that some are worried that people won't show their cars that have had a color change, interior change, etc.  Maybe if the Marti Report was some how tied in with a bonus system then it would not hurt the people that have elected to change their car in some manner and reward the ones that haven't been tampered with.  Maybe a bonus system would encourage some to stick to the way it was built.

Just something else to ponder.

[CharlesTurner]

What about requiring the Marti Report in the Concours Class?  I know that some are worried that people won't show their cars that have had a color change, interior change, etc.  Maybe if the Marti Report was some how tied in with a bonus system then it would not hurt the people that have elected to change their car in some manner and reward the ones that haven't been tampered with.  Maybe a bonus system would encourage some to stick to the way it was built.

Just something else to ponder.

Many discussions were had around this topic.  Believe, at least for MCA, that the thinking is that since we couldn't do it for all years, it wouldn't be fair to give bonus points or require Marti reports for certain year cars.  Although, since I haven't been involved with MCA for a couple years, there might be new ideas around the matter.  You could always contact one of the ANHJ's and give them your input.

Personally, I think there ought to be some leverage of the Marti reports used in concours judging, no matter what venue/club.  Getting off-topic now, so might be good to start another thread on the matter to continue discussing.