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Offline 69bossnine

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67 S-code alternator mounting question
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:31:40 AM »
Hopefully someone can enlighten me on this... On our Metuchen-built '67 GTA, the adjuster-bracket mounts underneath the alternator, and there's a hole in the upper bracket that ostensibly would serve in mounting a smog pump above the alternator. But this car was never equipped with smog, sold new in Alabama. But everything matches the Ford illustrations for a smog-equipped car. We first restored this car when I was a kid in 1979 for Bill Gowin (some older guys may remember him and the car, silver-frost GTA coupe loaded-up with options that ran through all the MCA levels in the '80's). He rebuilt the original engine and provided it with the accessories for the restoration way back when, and we've not changed anything, just rebuilt and re-detailed the motor.

Our two other S-code '67's are un-restored, and they have a different mounting setup, with the adjuster bracket on top of the alternator.

Is the Gowin car wrong, and somehow got put together with smog-app parts? Or did non-smog cars get built both ways as another example of Ford random-ness and assembly-line-parts availability?

I'd ask Scott, but he's on vacation.. :)
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 12:55:41 AM »
Hopefully someone can enlighten me on this... On our Metuchen-built '67 GTA, the adjuster-bracket mounts underneath the alternator, and there's a hole in the upper bracket that ostensibly would serve in mounting a smog pump above the alternator. But this car was never equipped with smog, sold new in Alabama. But everything matches the Ford illustrations for a smog-equipped car. We first restored this car when I was a kid in 1979 for Bill Gowin (some older guys may remember him and the car, silver-frost GTA coupe loaded-up with options that ran through all the MCA levels in the '80's). He rebuilt the original engine and provided it with the accessories for the restoration way back when, and we've not changed anything, just rebuilt and re-detailed the motor.

Our two other S-code '67's are un-restored, and they have a different mounting setup, with the adjuster bracket on top of the alternator.

Is the Gowin car wrong, and somehow got put together with smog-app parts? Or did non-smog cars get built both ways as another example of Ford random-ness and assembly-line-parts availability?

I'd ask Scott, but he's on vacation.. :)
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First I would look at the upper bracket and check which engineering number is stamped on it. If it is a a C8 then it was replaced.You would typically only have the Smog pump alt bracket on a themactor car.
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 09:19:45 AM »
My dad has a 68 S code that was built in San Jose and delivered to the Denver DSO that has the same alternator bracket. He has owned the car for 15 years so someone could have changed it, it has made me wonder too. Marty

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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 08:43:16 PM »
My dad has a 68 S code that was built in San Jose and delivered to the Denver DSO that has the same alternator bracket. He has owned the car for 15 years so someone could have changed it, it has made me wonder too. Marty

67 or 68 ?
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 10:07:31 PM »
That speed reading will get you every time my friend!  68 S code!

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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 11:06:28 PM »
That speed reading will get you every time my friend!  68 S code!
Yep I know all so well ;)   Lets see - you read S-code - alt- mount   

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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 01:36:43 AM »
So which is it? 1967 Thermactor or 1968 Thermactor bracket? They are different and they both mount the alternator down low.
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 02:14:06 AM »
So which is it? 1967 Thermactor or 1968 Thermactor bracket? They are different and they both mount the alternator down low.

Hopefully he's checking and will get back to us so we can try and help
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 09:10:15 AM »
Sorry Jeff my bad I did not know that there was a 67 and a 68  version I get a look at dad's today.

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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 10:52:58 PM »
Here is a picture of whats dad's 68 S code has on it. C6? can that be correct? Marty

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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 10:57:30 PM »
Here is a picture of whats dad's 68 S code has on it. C6? can that be correct? Marty
Marty that would be a stretch  ;) The C8 version would be much more likely (on a thermactor car). I think you have the evidence to support the change out IMHO.
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Re: 67 S-code alternator mounting question
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 10:34:10 PM »
Here is a picture of whats dad's 68 S code has on it. C6? can that be correct? Marty

Definitely the 1966-67 style brackets (C6AE), in my experience with the two holes is the 1966 version.

For those that don't know, cars and light duty pickups, delivered in California 1966-67 often had thermactor smog systems.
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