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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 08:18:13 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of said "acorn nuts"? Obviously, I can look at AMK catalog but I would like to see images or pictures any original examples from a convertible or coupe with the exterior decor group please.

Been watching but was waiting until I could look at at least some of the pictures in my files.

First I'm guessing that the "search" is limited to 67's

Yes have pictures of plenty of acorn nuts taken from Mustangs  grab another half dozen the other day. But from another year - as there are at least to different lengths

Looked through my 67 FB pictures and had no luck other than  one end mounting number that may have had the acorn sheet metal section knocked off/removed.

Did find this poor picture of one - what appears to be the short version of the acorn nut to offer






Have not gone through the coupes and convertibles  since it appeared by the way the thread was going that they might be different

There are a number of 67-68 trunk lids at the shop and at my warehouse I will check in the next couple fo days to determine if they have something to add to the search

Will go back and check all the 67 non-fastbacks to see what story or hints they offer.

Must report that the outer corners of trunk lids (those details) don't appear to be on many of our "focus lists" ;)

Have a feeling that coupe and convertible trunk corners aren't going to be any more popular
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 09:00:05 PM »
Here are the ones on our SJ 11-04-66 convertible. The flash found a spot in need of cleaning.

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 09:43:17 PM »
Richard : The picture that ruppstang just posted showing the stamped acorn nuts is exactly as I remember on my 67 Convertible. Remember, however, they were furnished with the trim (in the same package) I bought from my Dealer in the early 80's, so not necessarily Assembly Line examples.
As I mentioned, I have already added it to my Calendar to check these when we go back to Colorado in the Spring.

In the meantime, besides other pictures like the one from ruppstang which may be posted, I have attached a detail from one of my Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalogs.

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2016, 12:12:53 AM »
In the meantime, besides other pictures like the one from ruppstang which may be posted, I have attached a detail from one of my Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalogs.

A few of the original styles don't appear to be represented in that illustration. Wonder if they were meant to be generic rather than specific in illustration ?

Most are similar in design that I've found as #2
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 02:32:25 AM »
Jeff : In the past 40 or so years that I have been more into the "numbers" part (as opposed to just "cosmetic") of restoring Fords, mainly mid fifties to mid sixties ones, I, personally, have found that the illustrations shown in the Standard Parts and Utility Catalogs (I have 10 different ones from 1954 to 1984, the majority from late 50's to late 60's) tend to be more specific than generic in nature. It may just be that that is what has occurred with the parts in question that I was trying to document. At least for me, I've found the illustrations to be fairly reliable.

As far as what you've seen on cars versus the crown nut listed ; as I noted, I cannot confirm mine exactly until Spring, but as I remember, they are identical to those shown in Marty's picture. That being said, also as I noted, I purchased mine from my Dealer in the early 80's ; I'm not sure if Marty's are "Factory" or a Service Part like mine, but possibly, could this be another case where the Assembly Line part was not the same (377522-S100) as those shown in the Assembly Manual or came with the Service Parts ? Just a thought.

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 05:19:17 AM »
After all these posts, I went back to the 67 Body Assembly Manual and did a review. The Fastback trim is poorly documented but the two end nuts, 377522-S100, are "implied" on the drawing, not in the bill of materials. I have added them to my hardware spreadsheets. On that, thanks.
Based on Ford's finish suffix, -S100, AMK's advertised finish suffix, -S36, and the trunk application, I would assume that the nut is gold zinc with a sealer (to reduce exhaust fumes in the trunk). AMK apparently sells the nut without sealer, but does sell a mastic sealer separately (2014 cat, p167 AMK B-11245). That combination may work.
Richard, why do you want a picture? The assembly manual show it, albeit poorly done. All a picture will show you it's location, you will have difficulty determining size. The only usable external reference is the hex size, and as it is 11/32, very difficult to distinguish between that size and 3/8 hex.
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Thank you EVERONE for your input on this topic.

Bob's latest two answers pretty much explain why I wished to see images of originals. many items can "look" to be correct but before I go on yet another witch hunt or take the "easy AMK" path, I was hoping to confirm. My "extra parts" pile is growing large enough, so I  am trying to minimize making yet another poor choice. I can clearly see that the nuts I used from back in '79 when I replaced my molding were incorrect (I used what was "prettiest" against the new paint)  and only because what I see in the assembly manual, can I recollect from memory, what used to be there AND remember that the replacement Ford molding I used did NOT come with any attaching parts back then.  This makes it is possible that any other "previously replaced" molding could either have used the original hardware over again or used whatever a person could get their hands on that particular day in that particular spot on the planet (people do not always always use original harware during repaints or parts replacement).

Thank you again Marty for your image, your car was one of the three I looked at in Columbus last year and for whatever reason, I did not take a shot of that area. Do you possibly know if they are original unrestored,  restored or maybe replaced AMK products? They certainly appear to be consistant with the discussion so far of what should be original and look also to be a gold color. The flash of the photo distorts the color a bit so it is difficult to see clearly what color the finish is 

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 09:07:46 AM »
Richard I restored that car over 10 years ago so some details are hard to remember. I am sure that I used a NOS molding and hardware but I can not remember if the original used the same hardware. I thought I had some original take offs in the shop but could not find them. The nuts are a gold color. I have found this fastener on may of the cars I have worked on over the year including fastbacks. It makes sense to me that Ford used these closed nuts so people closing or opening would not get snagged on the threads. Much like all of the luggage protectors in the trunk. 

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 09:40:09 AM »
Richard I restored that car over 10 years ago so some details are hard to remember. I am sure that I used a NOS molding and hardware but I can not remember if the original used the same hardware. I thought I had some original take offs in the shop but could not find them. The nuts are a gold color. I have found this fastener on may of the cars I have worked on over the year including fastbacks. It makes sense to me that Ford used these closed nuts so people closing or opening would not get snagged on the threads. Much like all of the luggage protectors in the trunk. 

Perfect. This helps me a lot, I will likely just order some from AMK, I need 9 and they sell them by quantity 8 so WHO ELSE NEEDS SOME?
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 09:45:37 AM »
Richard, sign me up for two please. Thanks, John
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 10:38:41 AM »
You got them, John. I'll put an AMK order together this week and send them with the OTHER item I said I would send to you and yet have not ;)
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2016, 07:47:15 PM »
Looked at a fastback lid at the shop today. Checked my pictures and the only red fastback (color of trunk lid) that they have in currently is a 67 San Jose fastback from the #176xxx period. It had the regular nuts with intergrated lock washers (exterior star) at the ends so guessing non- San Jose.

Just finished looking through the 67 coupes and convertibles

Only found one somewhat clear example of a convertible (same yellow unrestored San Jose convertible there is a tread of on the site)



Two standard nuts with the intergrated star washers I found on the fastback example earlier today. Built are around the same time 7R02C176xxx-7R03C1883xx
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2016, 05:07:51 AM »
Back from Colorado, and gathered some information from my ’67 there. As promised, Richard, I took some pictures of my Trunk and Rear Quarter Extension Moldings and their attaching parts.
First, a little refresher. I purchased my set of moldings (Trunk and Quarter Extension), from my Ford Dealer in the early 80’s. Unlike Richard’s sets that he purchased in the late 70’s, mine came with all of the attaching parts. Mine were for a Convertible, which carry the same part numbers as for a coupe. And finally, these are Service Parts, not Factory Assembly Line originals.
That all being said, the first pictures are of one of the Quarter Extension Moldings and its attaching parts. Note that these appear the same as those previously Posted by Richard; nylon retainers with metal studs and cad plated, open hex Pal nuts. The next pictures are of the Trunk Molding with its retainers and the “questioned” acorn nuts. As can  be seen in the pictures, these are the stamped steel type of acorn nuts (377522-S100). While it has been over 30 years since I installed these (as the age and weathering shows on the attaching parts), as I remember, the stamped acorn nuts were “gold” tinted cad plated as opposed to the “normal “silver” cad.

Finally, getting back to Angela’s original question of this thread; the nuts for the molding at the corners of the Trunk on a Fastback. While Coupes and Convertibles use 9 of the same Retainers and acorn nuts for the 3 pieces of the Trunk Lid Molding, as, I believe Richard noted, the Body Assembly Manual shows that for Fastbacks, they use 7 of a “push-in type of Retainer (shown as “M”), and two others, “D” that are similar (“Typical”) to the “C’s” used on the Coupe and Convertible  (see copy of the Assembly Manual attached). While the “D’s” are shown as “Typical”, they don’t specify the method of attachment.
This is one of those cases where I believe the answer can be found by checking the MPC. In both the 1960-68 and 1965-72 MPC, under “42512-3, Molding, Luggage Compartment Door”, both show for Model 63 (Fastback), 67/69 (the 1960-68 MPC shows “67/”), Part # C7ZZ-63512-A, and below that notes that 2- No. 8-32 Nut and Washer Assy, 377523-S100 are required. To me, this indicates that the fasteners for the “D” Retainers must be these 377523-S100’s. In checking this number in the “Standard Parts & Utility Catalog”, one finds that it is a stamped Pal nut with washer (see picture). While this is contrary to what Angela noted that it seems that this location should probably have the stamped acorn nut, this seems to note otherwise.

Hope that this has helped clarify some of the ‘mystery”.

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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2023, 10:23:24 PM »
Who has these acorn nuts 377522-s100? Mine are a mess across my entire coupe deck lid and instead of trying to remove and clean them,  is there a source for them?
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2023, 11:38:39 PM »
Who has these acorn nuts 377522-s100? Mine are a mess across my entire coupe deck lid and instead of trying to remove and clean them,  is there a source for them?

I am guessing you made a typo and you actually want 377523-s100?

https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk-fasteners-products/?Product_ID=12942
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Re: fastback deck lid molding hardware: "Acorn" nut at corners?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2023, 12:49:31 AM »
Who has these acorn nuts 377522-s100? Mine are a mess across my entire coupe deck lid and instead of trying to remove and clean them,  is there a source for them?
Please verify the year, and application.
I am guessing you made a typo and you actually want 377523-s100?

https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk-fasteners-products/?Product_ID=12942
The referenced AMK link is for 45272-S36 and 45273-S36 (sealer) which are a larger diameter than 377522-S100.
For reference, attached is a picture of an acorn nut, sometime called a crown nut. It completely covers the screw threads. Both are used on the trunk lid.
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