Topic: Correct antenna base for a 68

[gtamustang]

The bottom line is this, what Charles and I have stated is correct. In fact, all of the seasoned judges including Perkins share our stance on the 68 antenna. If you believe your Mustang came with the rectangle base antenna that was not available for Mustangs until into the 69 production cycle, then that is your belief. We are not going to try to change it. However, you will have to prove your belief with facts at every MCA National or Grand National show that you show the car in or loose the 2 points.

Regards,
Pete Morgan

[68 S Code]

Thanks to all who cleared this up. Just curious about the fact that many cars were ordered less a radio for dealer stock. I heard that Saac is requiring a Marti report as documentation for some of it's judged classes. If MCA was to do this and the Marti report showed no radio from factory then would there be points deductions if a radio and antenna were installed? Should be considered aftermarket accessory whether a Ford radio or off brand.

[TLea]

If you were going the "dealer installed accesory route" you would have to have a radio Ford would have supplied.

[CharlesTurner]

MCA defines concours as: "Car as it was delivered to the original owner without modifications."  Which means that the car could potentially have dealer-installed items.  Although, the rules are setup so that if there is no documentation to prove dealer items, there could be a deduction for excessive use.  A couple items here or there are fine, but installing everything out of the accessory book will most likely get points taken off.  Just need to be consider the likelihood of such a vehicle, which is extremely rare.

So, anyway, back to the thing about requiring Marti reports, it just depends on the organization and what their expectations are.

[Andrew@MagMustangs]

Laurie, Marty, 68 S code, are your Bases all Die-Cast then Chromed? Similar in material construction to the Earlier Round Base? These certainly do Exist.

The 1969 Base was a Thin Stainless type metal. Maybe some early cars had the Heavy Base

I am of the opinion that the 68 Rectangle was the switchover from Round to Square and was the Chromed Die-Cast, not the 1969 style which was more economical for Ford to Mass Produce.

Just from what I have seen over the years, I personally can not verify actual use of the Chrome Version.

Andrew   

[Laurie S.]

Mine has the heavy base.

[Bob Gaines]

Thanks to all who cleared this up. Just curious about the fact that many cars were ordered less a radio for dealer stock. I heard that Saac is requiring a Marti report as documentation for some of it's judged classes. If MCA was to do this and the Marti report showed no radio from factory then would there be points deductions if a radio and antenna were installed? Should be considered aftermarket accessory whether a Ford radio or off brand.

Since the object of the concours is to present the car the way it was delivered to the first customer from the dealer then If the car is presented in a way that is contradictory to the marti report (67-70 class's at SAAC) there would have to be some kind of back up proof. Dealer documentation of equipment installed before the first owner took delivery is just one example. Reasonable documentation is what is expected.   Basically if it has something that is out of the ordinary you had better have reasonabledocumentation or don't be upset over deductions if entered in concours. Bob

[2V8s]

Sorry to throw this into the mix, but do you see many cars with antenna mounted on the rear deck? My '67 has its Ford am radio (also on marti report) and no sign of ever having had an antenna on the fender. Instead, it has one on the drivers side rear next to the trunk. Car was supplied to a dealer in western Canada. Maybe that was a dealer option up there? Anyway seems to confirm as debbated that no wiring or fitting of any part of the antenna was done in the factory?

here's a pic.....

[gtamustang]

Rear mounted antennas seem to be limited to the Shelbys. While not unheard of for Mustangs, the rear mounted antenna is way outside of the norm. Each dealership had the Ford template to drill the required two holes for the antenna installation and they followed the standard process (because it was the easiest thing to do). Any location change would have to be a dealership directive.

Documentation from the dealership or vintage photos of the Mustang with the rear mounted antenna would help in the concours classes.

Regards,
Pete Morgan

[2V8s]

Ah, OK thanks.

I am in contact with the previous owner who owned it in california from 1994 to 2010 and it always had that antenna, and he knew the previous owner of some 10 years and it also always there from what he knows. But I dont have any info from prior to this and the original dealer is long gone (Vancouver). However the fenders and all body sheet metal look to be the originals, stampings all stack up with correct date codes etc. I do know the original owners name (and address) from '67 to '71 as I have all the paperwork and service records etc, but I doubt they are still there all these years later but you never know! Maybe i should fire off a letter and see whay happens 

I guess I'll probably never know for sure - but I like it like this.

I Didnt know that about the shelbys.

In some ways this diffrence in antenna location as a "special request" is in keeping with the special fleet order that the car was in terms of unknown paint code and a 4 digit special order number.

thanks

Aaron

[CharlesTurner]

Are you sure the RH side fender is original?  Should be date coded.

[Bob Gaines]

The reason the Shelby's evolved the rear antenna location was primarily because of the sparkplug wire electrical interference the radio received through a unshielded ,non metal fiberglass hood when mounted on the front fender. The distance the rear mount offered cut down on the interference some. Bob

[68 S Code]

There is currently a "as delivered 69, 70 antenna in the bruwn wrapper" on eBay. It has included an installation sheet and a template for making the hole in the fender. Brown wrapper not shown. I've seen C8 numbered box of NOS unit.

[CharlesTurner]

Keep in mind that a Ford service part number is simply for ordering replacement parts, it doesn't necessarily specify an actual year and model of use.  There was also a C7ZZ labeled antenna, in addition to a C5ZZ, but they are usually interchangeable but have some minor differences in appearance.