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Offline 68 GT

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Correct interior colors
« on: October 26, 2022, 12:46:53 AM »
Is there a chart or book that would tell me the correct colors for the interior of our 67 restoration? The car is a NJ, coupe with 2B interior. With the different shades of blue for the carpet, headliner, sun visors, dash pad and such, I want to purchase the correct color to go with out two-toned blue seats.
VIN 7T01C246XXX
Actual build date 5-11-67

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Actual build date 6-27-68

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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2022, 01:07:04 PM »
Try this forum's library. There's a link to Ford Car Parts (aka MPC) 75 edition. There are lists in the interior section on interior color codes.
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2022, 05:07:58 PM »
Is there a chart or book that would tell me the correct colors for the interior of our 67 restoration? The car is a NJ, coupe with 2B interior. With the different shades of blue for the carpet, headliner, sun visors, dash pad and such,

Yes an original trim book or some MPCs from 67 will show colors and even have a small sample of the original material to compare.

Not much chance that you may have or will spend the dollars needed to purchase one so your left with reprints and such showing color samples but they may to be exact


I want to purchase the correct color to go with out two-toned blue seats.


Are you thinking about having them custom made with you sourcing the material?  If not you really don't have much choice and are sort of left purchasing the kits from one of two or so suppliers through the retail Mustang companies




Related threads

https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=19950.msg126124#msg126124


https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=25675.msg158927#msg158927
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2022, 09:32:25 PM »
I went to the library. I didn?t see a link to Ford Car Parts. And I?m embarrassed to ask?.what is MPC?

No, not having anything custom made. The car didn?t have carpet, headliner, or dash pad in the car when we started the restoration. So I don?t know what colors I need to buy, light, medium or dark blue.
VIN 7T01C246XXX
Actual build date 5-11-67

VIN 8F01J208XXX
Actual build date 6-27-68

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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2022, 09:50:08 PM »
MPC = Master Parts Catalog

The link to the topic that, on page 2 has a link to a downloadable version of most likely the most popular edition of the MPC: https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13036.15

The actual link: http://squarebirds.org/Manuals/1965/1965-72FordPartsTextCatalog/

I took a quick look at illustration section 20 and text section 25 but did not see a color swatch area, which is what the OP would find most helpful.  Maybe someone else can find the section and page # that I might have overlooked?
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2022, 09:53:06 PM »
Thank you! I appreciate your help!
VIN 7T01C246XXX
Actual build date 5-11-67

VIN 8F01J208XXX
Actual build date 6-27-68

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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2022, 09:53:18 PM »
The other option is to look through the unrestored section pictures, you might find something you need there.

https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?board=64.0

This particular car has the 2B interior https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8646.0  Look at the recent pictures added to the last page of this thread.
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2022, 12:17:04 AM »
I went to the library. I didn?t see a link to Ford Car Parts. And I?m embarrassed to ask?.what is MPC?
I didn't go deep enough. Ford Car Parts (that is the official Ford title, MPC is "slang") is linked in each year of the -
"ConcoursMustang.com Official xx Mustang Article List" (insert year for "xx").
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2022, 01:19:25 PM »
I am Posting this Reply to, hopefully, clear up any misconception in regard to Ford ?Master Parts Catalogs? (MPC?s), and in particular, that such terminology is not ?slang?.

As I am not all that familiar with pre-1950 Ford publications, (other than the fact that back to the Model T years, through the 1940?s, Ford issues ?Parts Lists? which took the form of loose, stapled sheets, and small booklets), I am going to begin with 1950, as that appears to be the time when Ford became somewhat organized with its Parts Books.

In 1950,Ford published a?1928-48 Ford Chassis Parts and Accessories ? book (copy of inset page attached). This covered parts, with Part Numbers which were available for all of those years. Obviously, in the 20 years covered by that book, many parts had either been made obsolete, or been replaced by other parts designed for later years, yet would fit, and perform like the original parts. While this may have been great for the Ford Parts Department (remember, Ford was I the business of providing the best parts to its customers, not providing necessarily Factory original parts for Restorers ?down the road?), in many cases, Factory Parts had been replaced.
At the same time that Ford printed the 1928-48 Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog?, they also printed a ?Body Parts Catalog? (not to be confused with a ?Collision Parts Catalog?), which, IIRC, only included post War Body Parts.

1950 also signaled the beginning of Ford printing individual year Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalogs, and individual Body Parts Catalogs. This continued through 1955. During the period of 1950-55, in addition to individual year Body Parts Catalogs, beginning in 1955, Ford also issued a ?1953-55 Body Parts Catalog?.
In 1956, Ford tried a new ?wrinkle? ; they issued a ?1955-56 Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog?, covering both years, and correspondingly, a ?1953-56 Body Parts Catalog?. Then in 1957, Ford went a step further, and issued a ?1955-57 Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog?, and correspondingly, a ?1953-57 Body Parts Catalog? (copies of inset pages from each are attached). The only problem with the 1955-57 Catalog, was that it was printed in September of 1956, which meant that any changes that occurred after that date, did not appear.
In my 60 years of collecting Ford Literature (beginning with 1957 items), I have never heard of, or much less come across a ?1956 only? or ?1957 only?, Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog, nor Body Parts Catalog.

In order to ?combat? changes that occurred after September of 1956, Ford issued its first compilation of both Chassis Parts and Accessories, and Body Parts, in August/September of 1957. It was titled ?1949-57 Master Parts Catalog? and included both text and illustration inter-mixed for all of those years. I believe that this was Ford?s first use of the term ?Master Parts Catalog?. As you can see by the attached copy of its inset page, it is definitely not a ?slang? term.

The success of the 1949-57 Parts Catalog led Ford to yet another format. Beginning in 1958, Ford began issuing yearly ?Parts and Accessories Catalogs?, which included only parts applicable to that Model Year. Like the 1949-57 catalog, these included both text and illustrations for both Chassis and Body Parts, and again, with the illustrations inter-mixed with the text. This continued each year until at least 1985, and most likely, beyond (1984 is the last one that I personally have).

The next multi-year compilation that would appear, was in 1964. This was a ?1949-59 Parts and Accessories Catalog?.  This was furnished in two softbound volumes ; Text, and Illustrations, and included both Chassis Parts and Accessories, and Body Parts. I?m not sure why Ford dropped the word ?Master? for this multi-year compilation, as all successive multi-year compilations were shown as ?Master Parts Catalogs?. I have attached copies of all of the inset pages of each multi-year compilation (listed by year of printing), confirming the use of the term ?Master Parts Catalog?. The date of printing also emphasizes the fact that when acquiring an MPC, one wants to get as close to the Model Year that they are dealing with, as the farther removed, the greater chance that the original Factory Parts have been replaced by newer parts, or even deemed obsolete.

I trust that this will dispel the notion that MPC is a ?slang? term. If anything, all too often, MPC is used ?incorrectly? for the single year Parts and Accessories Catalogs. Many times, people will use the wording ?Single Year MPC?, which in that case, may be considered ?slang?.

Bob
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2022, 03:56:29 PM »
The title of the document in question is "Ford Car Parts". This title appears on almost every page of the 1968 and 1975 editions, which pertain to the topic we are most concerned with - Mustangs.
The "slang" title is MPC - "Master Parts Catalog". That is the former title, used prior to the release of Mustangs.
A rose by any other name - will stick you with a thorn if you are not careful in picking it up.
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2022, 03:20:21 AM »
Jim : I, respectfully, beg to differ ; while you may be an expert in roses and their thorns, I believe that you are "missing the point". All of the individual year "Ford Parts and Accessories Catalogs", at least from 1958 through 1964, have "Ford Car Parts" printed at the top of each page ; 1965 and 1966 varied slightly with "Ford Car Parts and Accessories", and 1967 being "Car Parts Catalog". Compilations of several years were then designated accordingly as "Master Parts Catalogs". If you look at the attachments in my previous Reply, you will see that the terminology of "Master Parts Catalog" was used well beyond "Our Mustang years", and for much longer after than before.

Besides being documented that "Master Parts Catalog" was used as late as 1993 (when the 1980-89 version was printed), it also makes sense logically that a compilation of multiple years (1960-68, 1965-72, etc.) would be the "Master" Parts Catalog for those years.

Bob
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1966 Coupe, C Code, 3 Sp MT, 6T07C154XXX, Build Date 11/22/65
1967 Conv, C Code, C4, 7F03C154XXX, Actual Build Date 01/31/67
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2022, 08:44:52 AM »
I'm of the same opinion as Bob.  I would never consider MPC or Master Parts Catalog as "slang".  To me an example of slang is to call a rear axle removable carrier a "pig".

Opening up the most available copy (in terms of web presence) of the 1965-1972 MPC dated 1975, starting on the cover:

1. Cover: "Car Parts Master Catalog"
2. General Information page 1: "Ford Car Parts", "Master Parts and Accessories Catalog (text only)"
3. General Information page 2: "Ford Car Parts", "This Ford Car Parts Catalog", "Refer to the Illustration Catalog"
4. General Information page 3 through page 10: Ford Car Parts
5. General Information page 11: "Ford Car Parts", "refer to Ford Truck Master Parts Catalog (Form AF 7636-A)"
6. General Information page 12: "Ford Car Parts", "for possible usage beyond 1973/ see Ford Car Parts Catalog, Form FP 8094-A"
7. Every other page (there might be a couple that don't have it, but say 99% do) have "Ford Car Parts" listed at the top of the page.

Here is a summary of what I see on the 1960-1968 MPC

1. Master check list page 1 "Ford Car Parts Catalog - Form AF-7635-A"
2. General information page 1 "Ford Car Parts" and "Master Parts and Accessories Catalog"
3. High performance parts section, page 1 "Lincoln Mercury Master Car Parts Catalog"

I would say in summary that Ford here is consistently inconsistent with their terminology. I would think that any of the following terms would be aligned with Ford-speak, and therefore not slang:

1. Ford Car (or truck) Parts Catalog or Ford Car (or truck) Illustrations Catalog
2. Ford Car (or truck) Master Parts Catalog or Ford Car (or truck) Master Parts and Accessories Catalog (for catalogs that span multiple years)
Note that you can substitute "Lincoln Mercury Car" for "Ford Car" for additional variations.

In my opinion, for what that is worth, I would call a single year catalog (some people use the term single year MPC which is an oxymoron) a Ford Car Parts Catalog, but then include the word "Master" for the catalogs that span multiple years.

Lastly - we got far off track from the subject - perhaps we should clean this up and develop something together that we can agree upon and placed in the library.  Something that describes all of the various Ford document types that might be used here.  Likewise, I've been thinking that we have a similar issue with the part number discussion - part number, casting number, engineering number, service part number, etc.
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2022, 12:03:31 PM »
John : You are correct ; this has definitely gone "off topic". My intent was not to mislead 68GT in his search for publications, but it unfortunatel evolved to much more than that.

In regard to Part Numbers, Casting numbers, etc., I have been working off and on for over a year putting together documentation to address those issues, and plan to start a new Post covering just that. However, that is for a different placer and time.

Bob
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1967 Conv, C Code, C4, 7F03C154XXX, Actual Build Date 01/31/67
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2022, 03:19:24 PM »
Jim : I, respectfully, beg to differ ; while you may be an expert in roses and their thorns, I believe that you are "missing the point". All of the individual year "Ford Parts and Accessories Catalogs", at least from 1958 through 1964, have "Ford Car Parts" printed at the top of each page ; 1965 and 1966 varied slightly with "Ford Car Parts and Accessories", and 1967 being "Car Parts Catalog". Compilations of several years were then designated accordingly as "Master Parts Catalogs". If you look at the attachments in my previous Reply, you will see that the terminology of "Master Parts Catalog" was used well beyond "Our Mustang years", and for much longer after than before.

Besides being documented that "Master Parts Catalog" was used as late as 1993 (when the 1980-89 version was printed), it also makes sense logically that a compilation of multiple years (1960-68, 1965-72, etc.) would be the "Master" Parts Catalog for those years.

Bob
Using your logic, the name "Mustang" is erroneous and should be what Ford called their 1908 production line car - the Model T.
At random, I looked at two pages of Ford Car Parts in my own computer library that pertain to Mustangs, the general topic of this forum, and both have, at the top of the page, this title - FORD CAR PARTS.
It looks like you got stuck by the "thorn of a rose".
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Re: Correct interior colors
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2022, 04:43:20 PM »
A copy of the title page of the 1968 edition of "Ford Car Parts". The title includes "and Accessories", but does not have a reference of "Master Parts Catalog".
Jim
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