Topic: 67 Inboard Lights -- hood latch support fasteners

[Bossbill]

I'm unsure if the fasteners I found in my hood latch support were changed by another owner/shop or if the fasteners were changed out when SA replaced the hood support for my inboard car. It's also possible that the ASM does not agree with what the SJ production line actually installed.

Using my annotated pic from the 60-68 MPC I'm seeing the standard 67 fender washer (in style, length and finish) 359662-S  to fasten the 16707 hood latch support to the radiator support (16138 and 10852). The bolts in the above also match my fenders in having the "==" marking.

However, the bolts holding the latch (16929) to the support do not match the MPC (the only drawing available as the ASM skips that page) and have the RBW markings in a 1 3/8 length bolt. The bolts match 359662 in other respects.

Any guidance on what is typically found here in my car's time frame?

Edit: Update Subject to clarify it's inboard lights

[jwc66k]

Bill,
In this case I will state that Ford Car Parts (aka MPC), is a service replacement document and does not always reflect what was used on the assembly line. However, it's a Shelby, and from what I understand about the practices used at the Shelby facility, anything that worked was used.
THEY WERE NOT BUILDING CONCOURSE GRADE CARS.
That bolt, 359662-S, was Ford's common replacement for all fender area bolts and a host of other 5/16/18 bolts. In this case, I would be more inclined to use the 67 Mustang Body Assembly Manual. That statement is based on a simple after the fact assembly line principle - what "they" took off, "they" put back on.
Jim

[J_Speegle]

Just me but I would NEVER use drawings in the MPC or even the Assembly manuals to identify details such as washer shape

[Bossbill]

Bill,
In this case I will state that Ford Car Parts (aka MPC), is a service replacement document and does not always reflect what was used on the assembly line. However, it's a Shelby, and from what I understand about the practices used at the Shelby facility, anything that worked was used.
THEY WERE NOT BUILDING CONCOURSE GRADE CARS.
That bolt, 359662-S, was Ford's common replacement for all fender area bolts and a host of other 5/16/18 bolts. In this case, I would be more inclined to use the 67 Mustang Body Assembly Manual. That statement is based on a simple after the fact assembly line principle - what "they" took off, "they" put back on.
Jim

Jim -- Your blue highlight comment is part of my issue. The 67 Mustang Body Assembly Manual is missing the page on the 16707 assembly and other parts. The only picture I could find was in the MPC illustration section.
The ASM lists the bumper area, engine compartment, engine side of radiator support -- but no latch support.

If  the stock latch support was left on the car -- all other parts of the front end were stripped off at SJ-- they would go into a pile and be modified with the inboard headlight parts. Who knows where the bolts would go.

Just me but I would NEVER use drawings in the MPC or even the Assembly manuals to identify details such as washer shape

Jeff -- I used the MPC drawings since the ASM did not have that pic and I wanted to point to the items in question via a drawing. I made no mention of washer shape. Perhaps you meant bolt ID?
I only wondered if original, unmodified cars used the ubiquitous "==" fender bolts (w/serrations) or something else.
SA really liked to use RBW bolts...

[J_Speegle]

Jeff -- I used the MPC drawings since the ASM did not have that pic and I wanted to point to the items in question via a drawing. I made no mention of washer shape.
I only wondered if original, unmodified cars used the ubiquitous "==" fender bolts (w/serrations) or something else.
SA really liked to use RBW bolts...

Want any particular production period or time for the bolts that attach the latch support to the radiator support?

[Bossbill]

On an SJ Mustang, car would be mid Feb through mid March. I think a month span would work.
On Shelby it would be any April SA build with center headlights.

I'm concerned because these bolts are one of the first things you see in the engine compartment.

Thank you!

[jwc66k]

Jim -- Your blue highlight comment is part of my issue. The 67 Mustang Body Assembly Manual is missing the page on the 16707 assembly and other parts. The only picture I could find was in the MPC illustration section.

Bill,
Did you look in the Hardware Spreadsheets for 67-68?
In any case, see attached.
I got to go cook a couple of Filet Mignon's.
Jim

[Bossbill]

Ah ha. The missing page. Thanks!
Do you have the index to the lettered items on the page?

I did look at the Hardware Spreadsheet but since this is a center headlight car the support probably came from the "converted support bin" and this car's support went in the "to be converted bin".

As for fastener reuse, who knows. Hence this thread.

[67gtasanjose]

Missing page & details: https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13945.0#msg87159

[Bossbill]

I now vaguely remember that thread.

Thanks for the link, Richard.

[67350#1242]

1242 has RBW on the support and latch catch and = = on the fenders.  The grill to support are = =.
Can't really say if original but not changed by me (since 1989).
Kurt.

[67_1183]

1183 has == on the support, latch catch, grill to support and fenders.

1/26/67 SJ, 4/7/67 SA inboard/center headlight car.

I have not changed them as long as I have had the car (1976).

[J_Speegle]

Too a look through my pictures and I didn't come up with anything clearly visible from cars near your cars production period at San Jose. Not really anyone taking pictures of that area and if they did the angle didn't show the heads directly or the radiator support seal got in the way

Didn't find any of the heads that were the RBW flat head style (Mustang or Shelby) except for a restored car or two and then everything was that style and all bright zinc 

Not saying one could not end up there currently just reporting of what I found

[jwc66k]

The "illusive" Ford hardware part number is (wait for it) 378178-S2. AMK carries both a SEMS and a "Double Ditto" head marked, toothed disc washer, bolts. They are one inch long lead points.
Jim

[Bob Gaines]

I have seen RBW  marked bolts that have a raised edge head just like the SEMS or ==  marked bolts used sometimes in that area. They were probably something SA had on hand among others to have to supplement the bolts installed at SJ that were taken off when the hood latch support was modified for the inboard headlights and then re installed. The outer hood latch support to grill bolts were not installed in the support at SJ because the cars were delivered to SA without a Mustang grill. Consequently SA would have had to have additional bolts on hand to complete the Shelby grill area. The RBW and Sems marked bolts were used more in that area then the == marked bolts from what I have seen. It is a reality that when things were put back together that uniform placement of marked bolt heads was not a priority based on what I have seen.