Topic: 1969 Center Console Top Insert

[69gtconv]

I bought a center console top for my '69 Convertible. I thought it was black from the pics provided, but it turns out it is brown.

C9ZB-65044E70-AW

Can anyone tell me what Ford color this is, and what Interior color(s) this goes with? Thanks

[RoyceP]

Looks like a D0WY console top for a 1970 Cougar with a Ginger interior.

[J_Speegle]

Difficult to make out the color by the picture. Appears to be a 69 top/insert since it has the cutout for the seat belts buckles Changing the original title to reflect this



C9ZB-65044E70-AW Could not find in a 70 MPC and the base number appears to be from an instrument panel

In the one I have I think the panel is listed C9ZZ-6304D90 If for Cougar in 69 I don't know what part or engineering number they assigned it.

Guess your going to be recoloring it if you want to use it on your car

[67gta289]

Looks like a D0WY console top for a 1970 Cougar with a Ginger interior.

There was a marked difference in 69 to 70 consoles, in regards to seat belt cutouts, which Jeff noted and pictured, so it has to be a 69 part.

C9ZB-65044E70-AW Could not find in a 70 MPC and the base number appears to be from an instrument panel
In the one I have I think the panel is listed C9ZZ-6304D90 If for Cougar in 69 I don't know what part or engineering number they assigned it.

The 044D70 that is hand written on the box is the basic part number for the dash, not the console, so that does not apply to this part. Perhaps someone was making a shopping list.

This part's basic part number is 044D90.  When comparing Mustang and Cougar, for 1969 I find it interesting to see that the Cougar used Mustang service (ZZ) parts except for two colors, where Cougar service (WY) parts were called out.  I would guess that those additional colors (dark blue and aqua) were not available on the Mustang.  It is also interesting to note that there is no ginger or brown listed for 69 for Mustang or Cougar, but there is for 70.  I'm starting to think that ginger was not available till 1970, therefore this 69 color must have been used in the nugget gold interior?

[K-HESS]

This is for a 1970 Cougar with Tobacco interior. Tobacco was only available in the 1970 XR7 Cougar and had a door interior code of 6Z. The correct part number for this is D0WY-55044D90-A. From my experience all of the console plates have the opening for the seatbelt no matter if it was 1969 or 1970. Only the top shift plate makes the difference.

[69gtconv]

Thanks, Guys ... that all makes sense now

Strange that the part has C9ZB-65044E70-AW molded into it



... while the box has D0WY-65044D90-A on it



Based on the color, it could only be a Cougar part

Will sell it as a Cougar part or Paint it  ... Dupli-color Semi-Black ??

Thanks, again

[carlite65]

engineering number vs. part number. do a search here for more info. not strange at all.

[J_Speegle]

This is for a 1970 Cougar with Tobacco interior. Tobacco was only available in the 1970 XR7 Cougar and had a door interior code of 6Z. The correct part number for this is D0WY-55044D90-A. From my experience all of the console plates have the opening for the seatbelt no matter if it was 1969 or 1970. Only the top shift plate makes the difference.

Not wanting to get too far off the main subject but I did look at a collection of unrestored 70 Cougars and found they all had the inserts without the seat belt pockets just like the Mustang examples I found. Found over a dozen and then I stopped looking. Only found one example with a 69 style. Since that car was only the second car assigned as VIN they may have just been using up the earlier years style for some unknown reason

[K-HESS]

Jeff based on yours and 67gta289 original quotes:

Difficult to make out the color by the picture. Appears to be a 69 top/insert since it has the cutout for the seat belts buckles Changing the original title to reflect this

There was a marked difference in 69 to 70 consoles, in regards to seat belt cutouts, which Jeff noted and pictured, so it has to be a 69 part.

This is why I posted: "From my experience all of the console plates have the opening for the seatbelt no matter if it was 1969 or 1970. Only the top shift plate makes the difference." I was referring to the part in question that they all have the seatbelt hole no matter the year. Because of the color of plastic used with this part, it was only used for the 1970 XR7 Cougar so this matches my findings of both years having the hole.

[J_Speegle]

Jeff based on yours and 67gta289 original quotes:   This is why I posted: "From my experience all of the console plates have the opening for the seatbelt no matter if it was 1969 or 1970. Only the top shift plate makes the difference." I was referring to the part in question that they all have the seatbelt hole no matter the year. Because of the color of plastic used with this part, it was only used for the 1970 XR7 Cougar so this matches my findings of both years having the hole.

So you believe that for this specific color (Tobacco interior) and just Cougars they copied the 69 cut outs but for other colors they would not?

Would be best if we could find some additional examples with that interior and the other details. Then we could continue with the discussion in a separate thread or move this one to the Cougar section

[6t9m1]

I agree with K-HESS that all 69/70 mustangs are moulded with the seat belt cut out.
 
I have 6 of these in a few different colors including black with the engineering number shown in the picture by 69gtconv.

(note: some show MADE IN CANADA but not all)

[69gtconv]

This one, on ebay, is stated that it came out of a 1970 Cougar Xr7 ... has the seat belt cut outs with a '70 insert on top of it

[67gta289]

So it appears that even though the seat belt holders were not used for 1970, the basic part number 044D90 had provisions for it.  The reason may be as simple as this - it was a carry over design from 1969, and the insert that covers the hole is really all that was needed.

The only problem I have with that is the fact that for 1970, both Mustang and Cougar, there were all new part numbers with the D0 prefix, so they were not carry over parts in the true sense of the word.  There must have been some other difference(s) that resulted in the new part numbers.  The C9 that was cast into the D0 part means that the mold didn't change, or didn't change much.  It would be very interesting to compare a known 69 part and a known 70 part side by side to identify the difference(s).

[J_Speegle]

I agree with K-HESS that all 69/70 mustangs are moulded with the seat belt cut out.

Can you explain the, now six, examples without the seat belt cut out I've posted?  Not sure that K-HESS was referring to Mustangs in his post.

69gtconv Thanks for locating a 70 Cougar example in what appears to be the brown color. Appears to match what I'm finding. Too bad it does not show the engineering number but the seller was not focusing on that detail



For the other discussion have compared and swapped these a few times. Focusing on the insert we have the automatic and the manual transmission holes is one difference. Might have a 70 insert out in the trailer I think Seems to recall the cigarette lighter on that one



Follow - up: Checked and all I have is a 69 version.with the C9 engineering number. Must have given the 70 to Mike. Sure more examples will show up here and in places like Ebay

[Bossbill]

Can you explain the, now six, examples without the seat belt cut out I've posted?  Not sure that K-HESS was referring to Mustangs in his post.
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Jeff, he's just saying the plastic portion has the cutout. The metal portion that is laid over the top would have a cutout in 69 but not in 70 (as your pic show).