Author Topic: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion  (Read 4153 times)

Offline hopey

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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2021, 10:43:54 PM »
Jeff,

Are these exclusively BOSS ?G? codes built at Dearborn?
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2021, 12:12:46 AM »
Jeff,

Are these exclusively BOSS ?G? codes built at Dearborn?

No not this time in reply #17. In earlier looks/scans through I stayed with just the Boss 302's with the TA interior code as requested as this thread was separated from the non-Boss 302 thread.

In this scan I focused on other interior types that had wood grain dash and passenger side filler/clock panels to see if there might be a change in what was available to the Dearborn workers or some other possible supply issue.

Appears that we found that like what has been reported for one owner with a TA interior in a Boss we see reflected in other interior types and the usage of the black or wood grain radio bezel at this point in the discussion.

Don't believe that the discussion over on the Boss site ever compared the details - as sometimes happens over there. Just the way things tend to evolve 
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2021, 02:33:56 PM »
Maybe this needs a dedicated threat with only BOSS (T&F) builds, so not to confuse people with actual observations and known photographs of actual original unrestored and even unmolested BOSS 302s.

Right now with all the general woodgrain interior photos and no model indicated in the VIN code(not sure why it?s omitted?) it would appear to the casual reader that woodgrain radio surround was a certainty in a BOSS with deluxe interior, but feedback (unsubstantiated / no photographic evidence) from original owners on the other forum is that is far from true.  After all, if the black camera case surround with deluxe interior was due to owners swapping after delivery, then one would reasonably expect all deluxe interior mustangs (BOSS or not) to have a similar frequency of replacement black surrounds installed. I am not sure that is true.

One pattern (assuming it?s not date related) that could be worth exploring is the radio option and if it correlates to the trim. The cars I have observed with the camera black surround were either original AM or AM-8track. Every FM radio install I have seen so far has the woodgrain surround. Coincidence maybe?  I should add that I was initially convinced my black surround was incorrect so that is when I started paying attention to the interior details of judged BOSSes.
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2021, 05:23:04 PM »
Hopefully this will come across in the well meaning intent of this response. So much can be lost when communication in this medium

To respond to some of your questions and concerns

Firstly, the posting of the shortened VINs without the body type and engine size is just my common practice as you can see from hundreds of posts. I just defaulted to that pattern when posting.

As far as keeping the conversation focused only on Boss 302 with a certain interior code I think we got off that and started to include other interior codes that may or may not have had the woodgrain radio bezel and even possibly cars assembled at other plants since some of the anecdotal examples were not specific in this and other details. Don't see anything wrong with exploring and discussing the related factors and possibilities since they MAY all be related. We don't know unless we look into it.

I don't believe that Boss cars were assembled in a vacuum and that a supply issue affecting, for example, Grandes and Mach I?s that also had wood grain interior items would affect Boss 302?s built at the same plant. 

In the end I have no vested interest in the findings. I don?t own a 70 Boss unlike you and the others. Only trying to find out what did or may have happened with no bias or predetermined beliefs.

As we've both posted the possibility of this being or also being connected to factory verses dealer installed radios is another component that should be explored. Not sure how many unrestored examples for that are available but worth at least trying. I have Marti reports showing some of these cars unfortunately I don? t think any of those cars are unrestored or that I have confirmation pictures of that detail.


Hopey - This the thread from Oct 2005 the thread you were referring to earlier? 

http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=20074.msg129762#msg129762


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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2021, 08:06:43 PM »
Added body type and engine size to reply #17 Also found a couple more 70 Boss 302 examples I added to the post and noted those additions

As a note in the Boss 302 registery thread I listed above there were, by my count, seven respondents that did not identify themselves as original owners. In general most did not include if their car was restored or believed to be original and often no production date or plant was identified. Summary of what those owners offered below.

- One Dearborn Boss with a black radio bezel. Uncertain if it's original to the car and the reason for the thread

- One suggesting that the difference might be due to a supply issue though he posted his opinion at the time. Don't recall if his car's interior code

- 0F02G1508xx with a black radio bezel

- One wood grain without identifying plant or production date. Likely a NJ built car 0T02G115xxx ONLY one that identified their car as an unrestored example

- Late June 70  with black radio bezel. No plant provided though likely 0F02G2055xx

- Another NJ example

- One Dearborn Boss with a black radio bezel. Likely 12/6/69 completed car.

- One wood grain without identifying plant or production date  May be 0F02G129xxx


Also while looking for VINs and such ran across another example of an earlier car - 0F02G142xxx. You can see why I missed this one before. Only a sliver of the bezel is visible.




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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2021, 10:53:34 PM »
Team,

Also, to add to the mix it came with a console from the factory.  Decore group option.  So, would the console insert be woodgrain or camera case or are all inserts the same?

Dan, I believe your console would be wood grain with the deluxe interior.
Doug
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2021, 11:02:29 PM »
Jeff, appreciate your update & well meaning. As you, I?ve no bias one way or another, just trying to keep my BOSS as built. I actually purchased a woodgrain radio panel at Carlisle a few years ago but never installed as others pointed me towards this ?discrepancy? if you can call it that. Plus being able to substantiate & document these idiosyncrasies is important when showing my BOSS.

Thread on the BOSS site I gave a bump a couple days ago:-

http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=1672.0;all
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2021, 11:38:47 PM »
....Perhaps the no radio center came in camera case only?  Is the radio block off part of the center a separate piece? Or a one piece like the 67?

Radio block offs are a single molded piece like the 67's-69's were. Available in black camera and "walnut". Also if your counting there was a Cougar wood grain version also. Don't know if there were any that carried a D0 engineering number on the plate

To expand on what would possibly take place on those cars that had radios added at the dealership.

Don't have any 70 kits but looking at 69 kits both the Cougar and Mustang kits (yes there were two different part numbers for these kits) neither had a radio bezel included in the kit. Not sure if posting those would help as the focus for this thread is if the radio plate was included and in turn influenced what was installed.

In prior years and other Ford models the face plates and radio bezels were included in the kits so at least it was something to check 
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2021, 05:33:24 AM »
Hopey thanks for that thread. Appears that it got heated at times. Sure wish that someone would have gotten where each example/report included what plant and when so that we could do more with the information and see if patterns could be seen.

Even 69's thrown in that long thread :)
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Re: 1970 Boss 302 Decor Interior Radio Bezel Discussion
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2021, 11:57:10 PM »
Team,

Not to belabor this more but I am still trying to see if anyone can answer the Radio delete option question.  March 25, 1970, Dearborn B2 with EA code radio delete. Would my B2 have a camera case or wood grain radio block off plate?  I really appreciate every response so far.  I now know I should not have a clock and my console should be woodgrain insert.  Radio block off plate is all I am curious about now. 

Thanks for the great knowledge and support.

Dan in Kansas