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Offline BHStang

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1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« on: October 01, 2021, 07:36:02 PM »
Was there any common paint markings on the tie rods in 1970? 

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1970 Mach 1
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DAP June 10, 1970
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 11:46:25 AM »
All 70 build sheets I have call out green for left and yellow for right. But I can't recall ever seeing visible daubs on any of my survivor cars.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 05:39:14 PM »
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for sharing build sheet. That seems strange they would bother with a Green/Yellow on tie rods for right left when they are interchangeable.  There is an inner and outer though.  I think I am going to play safe and go with no markings at all.  Especially considering like you I have not seen any original survivors with a marking.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 07:36:52 PM »
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for sharing build sheet. That seems strange they would bother with a Green/Yellow on tie rods for right left when they are interchangeable.  There is an inner and outer though.  .
Remember that both tie rods ends, the sleeve, both clamps and all hardware are supplied to the line as a complete sub-assembly. The markings may be for orientation.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 08:51:56 PM »
Remember that both tie rods ends, the sleeve, both clamps and all hardware are supplied to the line as a complete sub-assembly. The markings may be for orientation.
Jim
Good point, the green/yellow markings could be anywhere on the assembly I guess. If they were there at all.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2021, 08:16:10 PM by cobrajet_carl »
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 09:39:22 PM »
Picked this one up years ago, no history other than it from from Ron Charney.  Has yellow paint on the end.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 09:56:05 PM »
Picked this one up years ago, no history other than it from from Ron Charney.  Has yellow paint on the end.
The individual tie rod ends would not typically have the paint marks however a complete assembly that was taken a part would have the yellow on one side and the other side would be green.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2021, 10:00:39 PM »
So most likely this was one removed from a vehicle, thanks.  The threads don't show much, but there are a few dings on the part.  The letters on the boot are worn more than I would think would be the case with an NOS part.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2021, 01:31:25 PM »
So looking at a picture of the grabber orange boss 429 Bob Perkins did (I dont have a picture I own but easy to find on line) I see a green mark on the RH side outer tie rod.  Granted the boss tie rods are different.    So if the entire steering linkage all 4 tie rods left right and center link are delivered to the line as a unit having 1 outer tie rod green and 1 yellow would make sense.
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DAP June 10, 1970
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2021, 05:13:27 PM »
So looking at a picture of the grabber orange boss 429 Bob Perkins did (I dont have a picture I own but easy to find on line) I see a green mark on the RH side outer tie rod.  Granted the boss tie rods are different.    So if the entire steering linkage all 4 tie rods left right and center link are delivered to the line as a unit having 1 outer tie rod green and 1 yellow would make sense.
Except the center link is different and called out separately on the build sheet, yellow for power steering and pink for manual.
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2021, 07:03:11 PM »
One more consideration - there were other Ford model cars on the assembly line, so the color ID probably identified car line, power steering or not, and standard steering or heavy duty.
As this thread concerned Dearborn, other plants "may" have been different.
An additional question, where was this done? At the Dearborn plant itself, or off site at another plant - Ford operated or subcontractor?
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2021, 07:09:08 PM »
Have found allot less markings on tie rods end than any other steering components making me wonder if this was a practice only done at some plants and not all.

If they were marked then that IMHO suggests that they were shipped as preassembles or if assembled in a sub assembly area of the plant like seats were then I can see a variation between plants and a reason for the reduced number of examples our for us to find over the years

Do have one set of 70 Dearborn tie rods ends with paint marks - one side was blue the other yellow to add a twist
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2021, 10:42:34 PM »
I believe 65-69 Mustang assembly manuals identify the yellow and green markings one for left the other for right for the tie rods . I agree with Jeff in that I see way more typically without paint markings on the tie rod ends . It seems that all were supposed to get them but as many different item examples have shown what was supposed to be done based on the engineer drawings didn't always happen or happen the way the engineers instructed.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2021, 05:24:20 PM by Bob Gaines »
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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2021, 04:27:48 PM »
Just as an observation - On the very low mileage well kept cars some of the members here have (multiple years and plants)  they have not been present when other related parts such as steering stops, spindles, idler and pitman arms, center links ... were still there

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Re: 1970 Tie Rod paint daubs/ marks
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2021, 03:34:18 PM »
So in conclusion best in my case to just leave them blank.  Been a good discussion and appreciate all the input!
1970 Mach 1
H Code 351C 2v
DAP June 10, 1970
4 Speed Close
AC, PS, Power disk, Shaker, Rear Spoiler