Author Topic: Convertible top Metal Fuse/Fusible wire  (Read 1670 times)

Offline 67gta289

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Re: Convertible top Metal Fuse/Fusible wire
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2021, 03:25:17 PM »
Royce,

The fact is that they always close the circuit after cooling, unless permanently damaged.  The proof for that is in the click.  There are two kinds of clicks.  The first is closing the circuit and remaining closed.  The second is closing into a fault condition and reopening.   In the latter situation, technically the breaker did indeed close, otherwise it would not have heated up to reopen.

The bi-metallic element is electro-mechanical in nature - once an overcurrent condition trips the breaker, there is no knowledge of the status of the load - whether normalized, marginalized, or a dead short such as in the example you mention.  Once the element has cooled off, it WILL close unless it is permanently damaged.

The heating of the element is based on current plus time.  Anyone can read up on "time-current curves" if so inclined.

Some examples:

1. The turn signal or emergency flasher use the same bi-metallic electro-mechanical design as many circuit breakers.  It is engineered to flash (heat and cool) at a narrow band of rates with a designated load.  This is why when you replace incandescent lights with LEDs, which draw less current, cause issues.  The element takes much longer to heat up and the flash rate can be painfully slow.

2. When someone installs higher wattage halogen bulbs that run near or slightly over the rating of the circuit breaker that had perhaps a 10-20% margin on traditional bulbs.  These will heat up, cool, and repeat the cycle resulting in flashing lights.

3. A dead short.  Under this condition the circuit breaker will "trip free".  The duration that the contact is closed would be difficult to measure without expensive equipment.

All contacts that interrupt current have a life usually expressed in the number of cycles.  Contacts that open under duress (such as a dead short) will lose their life more quickly.

To summarize - we are both right.  My perspective was one of the aspect of resetting, whereas yours was from the perspective of a successful reset.
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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Re: Convertible top Metal Fuse/Fusible wire
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2021, 03:31:03 PM »
Side issue,
Has anyone used relays for high draw items such as the headlights so you can limit the amount of juice going through the headlight switch?

I read recently to make sure I use a heavier duty variety vice a lighter duty.  Didnt know they came that way but....
If you did use one, any suggestions on what brand/model to use?  Does it truly matter?

I may use a few relays here and there as the old 66 wasn't envisioned with the more modern higher draw accessories of today.

Thanks much!
David

I think that the use of such things would be pretty limited in this (Concours) setting.  Headlamp relays and associated wiring would be very difficult to hide, unlike the aforementioned good idea that Bob floated for the radio.

All electrical components, including relays, have ratings.  I worked on a relay last week that starts a 480V 150HP motor.  That could flip our cars upside down.  The best approach is to determine what you need and then buy something with reasonable margin.   If you go too big there are other impacts including cost.

If you are looking at LED headlights, for example, the current draw is significantly less than original class bulbs, so there is absolutely no reason for interposing relays.  In that case, the relay would merely be something else that could break resulting in a blackout.  It would provide no value.  But if you are going with Halogen you might need them.  If I were looking at Halogen I would try to find one that has as close to original amp draw as possible, if there is such a beast, just to avoid the relay modification.  That's me speaking from a Concours driven frame of mind.
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John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
7R02C156xxx
MCA 74660