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Offline ruppstang

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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2020, 07:27:49 PM »
I went through my collection from mostly non AC cars and all I had were the low profile round style.

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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2020, 08:54:46 PM »
Any comments on whether this C9 speaker mesh is correct for 67?

I'm having a cone restored soon and wonder if I need to request the mesh.
Bill
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2020, 10:36:22 PM »
I went through my collection from mostly non AC cars and all I had were the low profile round style.

Marty : Any idea of what Plant (s) they are from, or Build Dates ?

Bob
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2020, 10:46:24 PM »
Any comments on whether this C9 speaker mesh is correct for 67?

I'm having a cone restored soon and wonder if I need to request the mesh.

Bill : What type magnet does that C9 Speaker have ?

Also, my original Dash Speaker does not show any evidence of having the scrim cloth. However, the speakers with my C5AZ, and C7AZ NOS Rear Speaker Kits, as well as the two NOS C6ZZ Door Speakers all have the scrim cloth. Possibly only the Service Part Speakers had it, and not the Factory ones ?

Bob
1966 Coupe, C Code, 3 Sp MT, 6T07C154XXX, Build Date 11/22/65
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2020, 11:58:07 PM »
The 67 dash speakers that I have pulled out of cars didn't have the covering for what ever reason.
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2020, 12:35:09 AM »
I have not seen the mesh either.

I know one of mine was out of the 68 GT350  12-02-67 Metuchen and one was from our 68 HCS 06-17-68 San Jose. The others are a mix of 67-68 parts cars no plants or build dates.

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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2020, 10:32:28 AM »
Bill : What type magnet does that C9 Speaker have ?

Also, my original Dash Speaker does not show any evidence of having the scrim cloth. However, the speakers with my C5AZ, and C7AZ NOS Rear Speaker Kits, as well as the two NOS C6ZZ Door Speakers all have the scrim cloth. Possibly only the Service Part Speakers had it, and not the Factory ones ?

Bob

It has the round flat magnet. MPC calls it up as the correct service part for 67/68. I've been watching it on ebay for months waiting for the price to drop...
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2020, 12:25:54 PM »
Tim : With a C9AZ Part Number, and the D0DA Identification Number printed on the Speaker magnet itself, this can hardly be the "correct" Speaker. You are obviously looking at the 1965-72 MPC, which was printed in 1975. By 1975, many of the "correct" 1967 parts had been replaced by newer parts which "will work", but are not really the "correct" parts. This is just another example of why not to use the 1965-72 MPC for 1968 and earlier Mustangs. If you are looking for "correct parts" for your 67, I would suggest in investing in the 1960-68 MPC. Even in it, there are some parts that have previously been replaced by newer parts, but it is a lot more accurate for "correct parts" as it was printed in 1967 and 1968. In this case, the "correct" original speaker was Part Number C7AZ- 18808-C, and the Identification Number was C7ZA-18808-C.

That being said, and getting back to the "magnet question" (low profile round versus higher rectangular housed), the C9 speaker, as well as the two 68 documented speaker that Marty noted, might make one think that the change to the round, low profile magnet may have been one of the many later changes made in 1967. However, it does not explain the one Richard Posted of his early 67 with the round magnet ; unless the original rectangular one had been replaced before he got the car, or if it was just a Supplier variation. Although, John's 67, which IIRC was built after Richards, and both at San Jose, had its original speaker with the rectangular housed magnet.

Just my thoughts, but at this point, we don't really have anything different.

Bob
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1966 Coupe, C Code, 3 Sp MT, 6T07C154XXX, Build Date 11/22/65
1967 Conv, C Code, C4, 7F03C154XXX, Actual Build Date 01/31/67
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2020, 04:18:21 PM »
Thanks for clearing up the mesh issue!

Any guesses on date coding format?
Bill
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2020, 02:15:30 PM »
I will say, the speaker frame for 67 is an odd color.
The best color match I have is to "Matte Bronze" as used on Bronze window frames.
There is a company that sells a really good match as they are the original vendor of the frame, but the can is over $30 incl ship. There are literally a dozen different bronzes as made by this company.
I color matched it using a camera color match process and burnished it in since I was only trying to hide some spot colors that had degraded.

I also re-created the text/Ford logo on the magnet and have a stamp coming.

But first, off to be re-coned!

Please note that I'm not out to make a perfect speaker. Even the NOS speakers have degraded in some areas. But I do want it to look "really good."
Bill
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Re: 67 Dash Speaker
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2022, 01:05:21 PM »
While viewing another thread I see that I may not have put pictures into this thread. There may be some in my build thread, but they belong here.

Pic 1: Old faded rear
Pic 2: New cone
Pic 3: Refurbed back
Pic4: With stamp

Bill
Concours  Actual Ford Build 3/2/67 GT350 01375
Driven      6/6/70 0T02G160xxx Boss 302
Modified   5/18/65 5F09A728xxx Boss 347 Terminator-X 8-Stack
Race        65 2+2 Coupe conversion