Topic: 69 SCJ starter

[keeper]

My starter went out today and I need to get some info. What recommendations for good replacement and where to look for it.

[Bob Gaines]

My starter went out today and I need to get some info. What recommendations for good replacement and where to look for it.

If yours is a original CJ starter you need to rebuild it as they are rare and valuable . A genuine original properly detailed is easily a 500.00-600.00 starter.  If it is a auto parts store reman then your not losing anything by using it as a core. https://www.428cobrajet.org/id-starter (great content however not properly detailed starter)

[keeper]

Thank you Bob, I will take a closer look at it tomorrow. It looks like it is an original starter from looking at the photos you shared. If it is, where would you send it off to repair it. If it isn't, I guess get one from Napa. Thank you for the help.

[Bob Gaines]

Thank you Bob, I will take a closer look at it tomorrow. It looks like it is an original starter from looking at the photos you shared. If it is, where would you send it off to repair it. If it isn't, I guess get one from Napa. Thank you for the help.

The starter has multiple components some of which are more visual on the outside then others .There are also specific gaskets and painting details that are seen on a assemblyline 1969 starter . That is why if you don't have the correct number you can still have a correct looking correct functioning other then numbers starter. Most of the time after rebuilds they are a mixture of other year starter parts. There is a specific look to a assemblyline 1969 fe starter vs a generic rebuild for instance. The most important part in your case is confirming the round body referred to as the barrel has the correct engineering numbers stamped into it . I have a retired local redo the ones I occasionally sell and don't have any experience with others you might try.First things first confirm what you have.   

[Brian Conway]

Short Story:  when my starter, came with the car, started to fail I got a generic from NAPA.  Installed it and it was a mismatch some where ?  The Bendix gear would not fully dis-engage from the ring gear.  Pulled the NAPA starter out and got my OE unit rebuilt.  I am fortunate that I have one of those old time shops local that will/can rebuild them.  Brian

[keeper]

Good information here. I did get the new Napa starter late today and it is a large unit. Hopefully will tear into the old one tomorrow. I think there is a local guy that can rebuild my OE one if need be. If not I hope the Napa starter will work better than the one in question Brian had to take out of service. Thanks guys. Will let you know what happens.

[keeper]

Well guys, I have good news and better news on the starter. Upon further investigation I was able to determine the cable connecting to the starter post and the post nut were not tight enough. The starter is good and it now has tight connections all the way from battery to cylanoid to starter. Also the starter is OE with DOAF-11001-C  OC23B engineering numbers stamped on it. I decided to pull it out and clean off some oil that seems to have built up on it at some point. Pulled two bolts and it won't come loose. These numbers are telling me it was built on March 23rd 1970 I presume ? Any way, I am headed back out to pry the starter away from the block unless someone has any good tips. Thank you Gentlemen, for your valuable input as usual.

[Brian Conway]

3 bolts. Careful it's heavy.  Brian

[keeper]

Thanks Brian, you are correct and that third bolt on top is hard to get at. I decided to pass on it and bolt it back together. It was a good learning experience for me.

[Brian Conway]

Yes the top bolt is difficult.  I use a 1/4" socket, drive and an extension.  6" ext. in conjunction with a 2" will get it done.  One of the most aggravating bolts I have run into on this car.  Brian

[Bob Gaines]

Well guys, I have good news and better news on the starter. Upon further investigation I was able to determine the cable connecting to the starter post and the post nut were not tight enough. The starter is good and it now has tight connections all the way from battery to cylanoid to starter. Also the starter is OE with DOTF-11001-C  OC23B engineering numbers stamped on it. I decided to pull it out and clean off some oil that seems to have built up on it at some point. Pulled two bolts and it won't come loose. These numbers are telling me it was built on March 23rd 1970 I presume ? Any way, I am headed back out to pry the starter away from the block unless someone has any good tips. Thank you Gentlemen, for your valuable input as usual.

It must have been replaced with a rebuilt made with other starter parts at some time in the past given the assemblyline starter is DOTF-11001-A .

[keeper]

Must of been. Clearly there is no A stamped on this guy. I paid 65 bucks for a Napa starter I will likely keep for back up. As heavy as it is I think 65 bucks is a fair price for Napa.

[keeper]

The C stamped looks like it is a factory mark.

[C6ZZGT]

A table of engineering and service part numbers by year is included below.

Year

Engineering Part Number

Service Part Number


1968, 1969, 1970 C8AF-11001-A C8AZ-11002-A
1970 D0TF-11001-A C4TZ-11002-B

The C8AF-A starter was used into the 1970 model year with an unknown transition date to the D0TF-A starter.


Being a 69 yours should be a C8AF starter.

[keeper]

What puzzles me is the DOTF 11001-C stamp. I know it has to be made for the big block Ford motor and it has a build date of 1970. Who what where when and why is a big journey on these old classics isn't it.