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Offline Bob Gaines

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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2020, 05:21:46 PM »
Bob, would you happen to have a picture of the 1967/1968 version without the finger?
I will look through some boxes .
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2020, 05:10:44 PM »
I will look through some boxes .

Any luck?
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2020, 06:42:54 PM »
Any luck?
I will find one but it may take a few days.
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2020, 11:01:49 PM »
Bob, would you happen to have a picture of the 1967/1968 version without the finger?
Scott, I didn't want you to think I had forgotten about you. This is what I have found so far. Like the 69 version sometimes the finger is bent down and sometimes it is snipped off. I had a 67/68 version that is snipped off but can't lay my hands on it at the moment . If I haven't sold it then it is in some other boxes.  I wanted to get a picture to illustrate the A/C vs non A/C at least. The bent down finger is pressed flat with no wrinkles in the metal which had to involve a press and fixtures.you are welcome to use this picture in the mean time until I get a example of all three together or one with a long finger and one snipped off. I don't think it is necessary to say there were 6 different given the long finger version is used both ways (when bent down) in both 69/70 and 67/68.   
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2020, 10:44:20 AM »
This is from an X code 1968 Cougar.
1968 W code 427 Cougar XR-7 GTE Feb 23 Dearborn C6 / 3.50 open
1968 R code 428CJ Cougar XR-7 May 13 Dearborn C6 / 3.91 T - Lock

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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2020, 11:34:23 AM »
OK, so there are actually six different shields? I see two different bases (67-68 and 69-70) and three different "finger" configurations (no finger, bent-over finger, and long bent-at-end finger), with the longest "bent at end" finger being the one used with a/c. Do I have that right?
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2020, 12:14:45 PM »
OK, so there are actually six different shields? I see two different bases (67-68 and 69-70) and three different "finger" configurations (no finger, bent-over finger, and long bent-at-end finger), with the longest "bent at end" finger being the one used with a/c. Do I have that right?
Your description covers the varieties that are seen.
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2020, 11:26:33 AM »
Bob, I've updated my ID page. Would you please take a look and let me know if it accurately describes things?

https://www.428cobrajet.org/id-firewall-shield
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2020, 01:49:37 PM »
Bob, I've updated my ID page. Would you please take a look and let me know if it accurately describes things?

https://www.428cobrajet.org/id-firewall-shield
A couple of comments. Although the shield technically has a a AC or non AC application don't be surprised to occasionally see them used in a haphazard fashion in the unrestored real world. AC shields used on non AC and vice versa. I know that is confusing but as Special Ed says "that's just the way it is" . Consequently when judging I make sure owner is aware but I can't bring myself to deduct when the shield is used in the wrong application given the real world occasional reality. Others may think different.  As far as supposed to be taking off or not keep in mind given that the shields were installed prior to sealer /sound deadener and with that in mind when the few times that the shield was bothered to be taken off on a FE Mustang the witness line where the shield had been is still visible. With that said if a restorer chooses not to install the shield because the directions indicate it could possibly be taken off remember that a informed judge would expect to see reasonable evidence of the shield being installed prior to be taken off like a witness line. Don't think quoting the manual instructions will get you off the hook if you are not prepared at a judges venue or even if wanting to impress informed enthusiasts checking out your car.   
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2020, 02:58:57 PM »
Noted - thanks! I made a few more edits to address both points. Better?
Scott Hollenbeck
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Re: ac shield 69 Dearborn 428 CJ
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2020, 03:07:28 PM »
Noted - thanks! I made a few more edits to address both points. Better?
Yep. Thanks for allowing input.
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