Topic: When is a Mustang a 64,5??

[Jerry]

Hi guys

Who can help me?
Till what year and month is a Mustang called a 64,5?
I saw a convertible that had a few 64,5 features and was build september 64
but is it a 64.5?
Looked through the web without and success.

Thanks Jerry

[Twilight65]

Jerry,
I believe only 64.5 cars were built at Dearborn and San Jose. 65 cars started with a new series of consecutive unit numbers in the VIN. It was 5Fxx250001 for Dearborn cars and 5Rxx125001 for San Jose cars. Anything before those unit numbers would have been considered a 64.5. I think this started in August 1965. Hopefully someone else will chime in to confirm.
Dave

[5F09CNot4Sale]

To expand on what twilight65 said... Another way to tell except for the K code naturally is a 64.5 will use the 5th digit engine codes U, F and D and starting in 65 mustangs will have T, C or A. If the car is a shell that is how you can tell. (if a shell is a K who cares what year..buy it)  A lot of indicators that people call 64.5 stuff is actually not "true" 64.5 stuff as it carried over into 65 production. My Sept 64 fastback has a lot of what people call "64.5" stuff. Then there are some truly things that were on 64.5's.

Here is a good website that shows some differences of a 64.5 Vs a 65 by one of our members here:

http://www.svs.com/zim/mustang/64faq.html

The vert buit in Sept 64 that you saw is a "True" 65

[CharlesTurner]

Engine codes or unit numbers as mentioned are the easiest way.  So many folks refer to their car as a 64 1/2, yet most times they are Fall '64 alternator cars.

[Jerry]

Ok thanks guys but does a clip on inside door handle
fit on an later style door mechanism? There must be
a groove on that mechanism to hold the handles clip right?
Can it be that a car built in september 65 still has some 64.5
parts on it? Like carryovers???

Thanks again
Jerry

[J_Speegle]

Ford continued to use some of what have become known as early or 64 1/2 parts more than 6 months after they started to build 65's (December 64 to Jan 65)  So yes plenty of the 65 parts are just the same as what are sometimes referred to as 64 1/2 parts incorrectly.

Not sure what your referring to as "carry overs"

[ChrisV289]

Ok thanks guys but does a clip on inside door handle
fit on an later style door mechanism? There must be
a groove on that mechanism to hold the handles clip right?

Thanks again
Jerry

Are you referring to the earlier door handles held on by the c-clip as opposed to the allen screw?  I don't think those can be interchanged but I've never actually tried...maybe someone else has..

[Road Reptile]

Hi Jerry and all on this subject,
The points here are all important,but if you are asking about date or a cut off point,a big clue is the body type....only coupes and convertibles were built with generators and the unique radiator support to vent them.So far we have yet to see any Fastback cars with a generator.As Jeff stated many parts were used well into the 65 calender year so it is not uncommon to see clip on handles and other trim items on later built cars of all body types.In a time frame: March-August 64 would be the window for 64 1/2 if you are able to get a date from the car it will most likely be within this time frame.A visit to the Ford research center a few years ago let me read the radio script for the intro of the new Fastback body type which was released on the air in the first week of September 1964.Hope this answers your question.

         Regards R.R

[carlite65]

those door handles will not swap directly. you need to change the part behind the door to use the newer style handle.

[CharlesTurner]

The clip on door handles ran well into '65 production, as late as February/March '65.

While there are major differences in wiring and electrical components, it seems folks only dwell on certain features such as the lipped hood, beveled head light assemblies and heater 'off' position in the middle.  A lot of items that were interchangeable continued way into '65 production.  The list would be interesting to study.

[Jerry]

Thank you guys very much!
That site wich was mentioned above is also very good.
Too bad that 64.5 owners don´t send the missing pictures
so the guy can complete the site.

Bye Jerry

[Panther]

Hey Jerry,

there's a very good site about early mustangs - especially the 64.5 - which also lists the special 64.5 parts:
Klaus Early Mustang Page

Greetings from Frankonia
Paul

[Jerry]

HI Paul

Thanks i forgot about that site. It´s got pretty much information.
Welcome on board looks like nobody is safe from the germans.... ;o)

Bye Jerry

[slim]

Is it safe to say D codes are 64 1/2?

[CharlesTurner]

Is it safe to say D codes are 64 1/2?

Without a doubt.  The D engine code was never offered on alternator cars.