Topic: Should this car be a 69 or 70?

[Wanted: factory Calypso Coral 70 convert project]

Should this car be a 69 or 70? Not my car. I am not interested in purchasing it, but I am curious as to how the experts here would classify it.

The car seems to be missing the vin behind the windshield, but owner lists he has "clear" title.

Seller has a Marti that shows the car to be a 1970.

Seller states the car in in registry as a 1970, 0F02R482266.

The fender apron stamps have the 1969 stamps 9F02R482266 (I thought Ford changed all the vin's on the cars when they were changed into a 1970). 

If someone took the windshield vin, and already attached it to another car, what a mess.....................




https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-GT500/233627091720?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200211172457%26meid%3De2cf839b11b546dca0ed2e6d816e4733%26pid%3D101213%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D233627091720%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DRecommendingSearch%26brand%3D&_trksid=p2380057.c101213.m46344&_trkparms=pageci%3A6bd64581-b4bb-11ea-af40-74dbd180715d%7Cparentrq%3Add6c58c01720aad0c186a791fff2ebd9%7Ciid%3A1


1970 Shelby GT500

Leftover from 1969

Real Deal Shelby

Factory Gulfstream Aqua

Great Project To Build Your Own Shelby

Wrap Around Shock Towers

Car was Factory 428 Cobra Jet C6

Link to More Pictures:
https://imageshack.com/a/5FAr7/1

Overall a very Good Body

1970  Carryover/leftover  from 69 Shelby GT500 Gulfstream project.

Car is listed in the registry as 0F02R482266

Both VINS are stamped on the fender aprons. Like I said missing about everything. Drivetrain, fiberglass, rollbar etc.


Car was painted and looks like was being made into a Mach 1 I have no idea why.


Gulfstream paint showing everywhere. Vent holes in the outer wheelhouses. Basically a Shell with disc brake parts and power steering.


I have tons of pictures. Body overall isnt in very good shape for its age. Solid rails, torque boxes, fender aprons, shock towers etc.


Just check out the pictures. Marti report is in there also. Clear title. I have a nice console, some taillight parts, front bumper that is bent, back seat, a mach 1 front seat and some other miscellaneous parts I will include.


Disc Brakes still on front.

For the buy it now price, I will include a standard 428 block with rods, early 68 Cobra Jet heads and a standard C6 transmission.

If you don't see it or I didn't say it was included, then it is not included.

The Apron VINS are on both sides. Missing the other tags but they can all be made once proof of ownership is shown by new owner. Couple places that do it.

From the 428cobra jet website......all 1970 Shelby Mustangs were actually left-over, unsold 1969 models that were re-numbered and modified slightly for sale in the 1970 model year.

I do not know anything about the car other than what I have typed above.

Car is sold as-is where is with no warranty and no refunds. Feel free to come and inspect the car during the auction. You do not get to bid and then come inspect it to see if you like it. Inspect while the auction is live.

304-228-4732 call with questions or offers. Car is for sale locally so I can end the auction at any time if the car sells.

Thanks for viewing.

[J_Speegle]

Should this car be a 69 or 70? Not my car. I am not interested in purchasing it, but I am curious as to how the experts here would classify it.

The car seems to be missing the vin behind the windshield, but owner lists he has "clear" title.

Seller has a Marti that shows the car to be a 1970.

Seller states the car in in registry as a 1970, 0F02R482266.

The fender apron stamps have the 1969 stamps 9F02R482266 (I thought Ford changed all the vin's on the cars when they were changed into a 1970). 

First is apparent from the current condition the car has lead a checkered past and because if this suggests that allot of questions will likely go unanswered. Has been discussed on the SAAC site as as one can expect different people have different opinions, on just about everything.

As few points. First terms and definitions often mean different things to different people. "Clear title" is likely one of those.  Owner may be suggesting that a search using a VIN (not sure if he's using the "OF" or "9F" is not currently in the computer as a stolen car or even in the system still. Many states purge cars after a period of time. Don't think it should suggest that  a new owner just needs to file paperwork and there will be no issues.

Would always suggest getting your own copy of a Marti if your looking at a car or at least confirming information.

No the hidden VINs were not addressed during the conversion of 1969 to 1970 Shelby's but they did address the visible ones such as the one attached to the dash area and the replacing of the door tag with the sticker

There has been some suggestion that the car has already changed hands and may be up for sale again for some unknown reason. Profit or something else

Do not know anyone involved with the car that I know of

[stangs-R-me]

Detective work is fun …

Under hood shows what appears to be a factory A/C Firewall (no A/C on Marti)

Lower Dash is an A/C Dash, but no lights for Brake & Belts as Shelby would have.   

Lower Dash could be a replacement like the std. cluster that does not belong, but I'd think the A/C firewall on a non A/C car should be a red flag unless it is stated somewhere in it's history factory A/C was added at some point.

Doug

 

[Coralsnake]

Car actually does have a history of dealer installed AC ... I am told. Excellent observation.

[RoyceP]

Shelby Registry can confirm what it once was. More importantly that car would never be as nice as this one regardless of how much money and time you spent:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Shelby-Cobra/303604790918?hash=item46b0417686:g:MiAAAOSwq~5e81Wq

For the money the convertible is a much better deal. If someone gave you the rusty stripped hulk you could not restore it for what it would sell for done.

[J_Speegle]

Would agree its going to cost allot to gather all the parts and do the repairs. Allot of people are happy with "catalog" cars and good for them.  Not sure I would hold up the same car you choose to compare the car to

Like most of these things it comes down to opinions and experiences so there is often no end to a discussion .

[RoyceP]

Jeff I don't know anything about the Aqua GT500 convertible except that it is not missing any major components and it is shiny and presentable. The rusty hulk would need $130K and more to be in the same condition. Why start with a rusty hulk when you can have better for less? 

If it were to be concours correct maybe double the dollar figure.

Would agree its going to cost allot to gather all the parts and do the repairs. Allot of people are happy with "catalog" cars and good for them.  Not sure I would hold up the same car you choose to compare the car to

Like most of these things it comes down to opinions and experiences so there is often no end to a discussion .

[J_Speegle]

Jeff I don't know anything about the Aqua GT500 convertible except that it is not missing any major components and it is shiny and presentable. The rusty hulk would need $130K and more to be in the same condition. Why start with a rusty hulk when you can have better for less? 

Think most would agree that often the best bottom line purchase is a well done finished car (or one with a few fairly easy things to correct) that started as a good solid car to begin with. Especially in the case where the owner set out to build themselves a car they wanted done right and is done with the car. Often these owners are not getting any return on their time and effort and they are saving you tons of both

[Wanted: factory Calypso Coral 70 convert project]

First is apparent from the current condition the car has lead a checkered past and because if this suggests that allot of questions will likely go unanswered. Has been discussed on the SAAC site as as one can expect different people have different opinions, on just about everything.

As few points. First terms and definitions often mean different things to different people. "Clear title" is likely one of those.  Owner may be suggesting that a search using a VIN (not sure if he's using the "OF" or "9F" is not currently in the computer as a stolen car or even in the system still. Many states purge cars after a period of time. Don't think it should suggest that  a new owner just needs to file paperwork and there will be no issues.

http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=84408.new;topicseen#new

On page 2 of the linked thread on the Boss 302 site, one post claims to have called the owner. Here is what the post states:

Then i guess that settles it. If all your paperwork reflected the change-over, then this guy would have to have a title with the "0F02R" VIN...Right?.. ...But even so, that specific VIN is nowhere to be found on the car. Just the "9F02R" version. That's a shame. Maybe he just has a generic state issued title. If its so easy to have someone make a new dash vin plate, I imagine this guy would have done it w/out telling anybody and before listing it for sale.

UPDATE: When in doubt, ask the seller. The seller says he has a clear Oklahoma title with the 9F02R48 VIN number.....and that would be "incorrect", right?

So, that sure seems like a big problem brewing.

[Coralsnake]

It appears the title was most likely mated to the car after the original was discarded. The new owner registering the car as a 1969.

A can of worms to sort out

[Wanted: factory Calypso Coral 70 convert project]

That is for sure. I am surprised this has not happened before with a 69-70 change over car. Or maybe it has and I just never heard about it.