Topic: Canadian Engine Differences Discussion

[J_Speegle]

As you all can tell, some of the engine tag numbers posted above have more characters than others.  It appears that the second and or first character(s) in some of the tag numbers has/have been omitted.....

What I posted were not the engine tag numbers but instead from buildsheets -  what the workers used for matching engines with cars on the line. Since they were all printed out from the same system what you identified as "missing" letters or numbers was apparently on purpose and may have made a difference in the engine installed. At this point IMHO it suggests that the different coding meant something

I see this mistake often when someone refers to "49 state" applications. This is not true because in 1968 Arizona had the same restrictions as California. So if you must refer to a number of states in 1968 the correct number is 48.

Jeff I respectfully submit that this discussion will quickly go off the rails into misleading territory if too many model years / engine sizes are discussed at once.

Agree though the term was and is often used in thousands of reference books and documents. Even back to 65 other states (other than Calif) had emission requirements but that is another discussion.

Guess the next step is to see if any of the emission standard books will cover Canadian cars.  Very dry reading   

Will keep the focus on 68 in this thread - just searching crumbs to help  Removed my earlier post related to other years.

[Coralsnake]

Sort of checking all of them, I am not sure how many are canadian cars. If someone can show other codes, I would be open to other interpretations.

The numbers I provided are build sheet, engine tag numbers. Nothing omitted and I havent seen other prefixes or suffixes

In the case of 1968 Shelbys, the available information shows the cars were all built to the same standards by Ford and AOSmith, then sold.

[krelboyne]

I have a Ford of Canada Registered Technician's Handbook, Introduction to the 1968 Mercury Product Line. Vol. 68, No. 1 S.E. 945

I have several pages to share that will contribute to this discussion. The copy doesn't have a date that I can find, but likely precedes the arrival of the 1968 cars. As we have seen before, what was intended in print, didn't make it to production.

[RoyceP]

It all appears correct regarding the 427 V8 except there were not any Montegos, Cyclones or any other Ford, Mercury or Shelby products produced in 1968 model year with the 427 side oiler. Only the Cougar GT-E package came with those factory installed.

The document appears to be too early to have information about the 428CJ. Of course we know that the 390GT cars shipped to Canada had no Thermactor either, but maybe the document is still correct in that the 390GT is not really a high performance engine?

I have a Ford of Canada Registered Technician's Handbook, Introduction to the 1968 Mercury Product Line. Vol. 68, No. 1 S.E. 945

I have several pages to share that will contribute to this discussion. The copy doesn't have a date that I can find, but likely precedes the arrival of the 1968 cars. As we have seen before, what was intended in print, didn't make it to production.

[krelboyne]

More emissions related information from same guide.

[FoxChassis]

What I posted were not the engine tag numbers but instead from buildsheets -  what the workers used for matching engines with cars on the line. Since they were all printed out from the same system what you identified as "missing" letters or numbers was apparently on purpose and may have made a difference in the engine installed. At this point IMHO it suggests that the different coding meant something.

Yes, I know what you posted were codes from build sheets. I called them "engine tag numbers" not because I was talking about the actual metal tag attached to the engine but because the build sheets were labeled as "Engine", "Engine Tag", or "Engine Tag Number".

[J_Speegle]

Yes, I know what you posted were codes from build sheets. I called them "engine tag numbers" not because I was talking about the actual metal tag attached to the engine but because the build sheets were labeled as "Engine", "Engine Tag", or "Engine Tag Number".

Thanks for the clarification

As you all can tell, some of the engine tag numbers posted above have more characters than others.  It appears that the second and or first character(s) in some of the tag numbers has/have been omitted.

Now that we're on the same page - no characters were skipped or not included in the post. Just the was they were on the sheets which likely designates a difference between the differently coded engines IMHO.

[krelboyne]

I have more to load. I keep getting a 500 error?

[FoxChassis]

Now that we're on the same page - no characters were skipped or not included in the post. Just the was they were on the sheets which likely designates a difference between the differently coded engines IMHO.

I understand that no-one here skipped or left off letters of engine tag codes that they posted. What I was saying, in my original reply and now, is the same that you are....K231A is different than CK231A, with the "C" perhaps being Canada calibration.

[FoxChassis]

I am no expert for any year of 1st or 2nd generation. My expertise is 3rd generation. For 3rd generation engine tag numbers the first character (e.g. CK123AA) was the calibration code, and the character incremented yearly.

[krelboyne]

See if this works with new photos.

Shows distributor numbers for 1968 cars in Canada.

[RoyceP]

Interesting - I've never seen a C7AF 12127-F distributor. The Canadian 428CJ car that I owned came with a C8OF 12127-J distributor.

See if this works with new photos.

Shows distributor numbers for 1968 cars in Canada.

[krelboyne]

Remember, I mentioned that this guide likely predates the cars. For sure it is before April 1968.

[Coralsnake]

Im open to the theory how about a build sheet showing some differences for the smog less Cobra Jets?

[RoyceP]

The MPC is as good as you are likely to find. 1968 428CJ Cougars and Mustangs are extremely rare. There are probably 250 GT500 KR Shelbys for each 1968 Cougar built with the 428CJ. Very few of the Dearborn cars had build sheets.

Im open to the theory how about a build sheet showing some differences for the smog less Cobra Jets?