Author Topic: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly  (Read 3146 times)

Offline CandyAppleRed

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2020, 04:37:16 AM »
to my knowledge, the pedal support with the nut inserts is for manual drum brake cars and the one without nuts (with only one nut) is for power disc/drum applications.

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2020, 04:56:26 AM »
to my knowledge, the pedal support with the nut inserts is for manual drum brake cars and the one without nuts (with only one nut) is for power disc/drum applications.

Laurent

+1, manual drum brake car originally but easier to remove them than to add them.

Brake and clutch pedals were originally dipped so that should answer your question on the paint line.
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2020, 04:57:56 AM »
+1, manual drum brake car originally but easier to remove them than to add them.

Brake and clutch pedals were originally dipped so that should answer your question on the paint line.

Great thanks Richard
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2020, 02:01:27 AM »
Well I cleaned up the pedal support/hanger and it looks pretty nice. Just have to put it in the tumbler next. Then order up a bushing kit and dip the pedals etc. Also need to remove the nut serts. Thanks to Marty the hanger is in excellent shape and looks like it has minimal wear.
Mike
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8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2020, 01:12:06 AM »
Regarding the return spring. I am not sure what would be the correct paint. Was pretty hard to tell from the original paint. Curious what people are using to get the right look.

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2020, 01:14:13 AM »
Also curious about the material that is on the under column bracket. I am not sure if I should remove the tabs and bolts or not when painting as I am not sure how to replace the material. Any tips?
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2020, 01:27:03 AM »
I would like to confirm if these fasteners are correct or not. Naturally I assume they are, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong and probably not the last
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2020, 02:12:51 AM »
I know this is a Concours forum but I would HIGHLY recommend the roller bearing for the pedals.  The plastic bushings don't last and the pedal effort is reduced.
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2020, 02:16:05 AM »
I know this is a Concours forum but I would HIGHLY recommend the roller bearing for the pedals.  The plastic bushings don't last and the pedal effort is reduced.
Just a thought. If you're building a trailer queen, disregard.
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Hi Keith. I have had a few friends recommend that, that have done that on their cars. I do plan to drive my car. It does make a lot of sense mechanically however
Mike
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2020, 04:25:23 AM »
I am running the dual friction Centerforce clutch in my Shelby. The roller bearing from Mustang Steve makes it feel like a hydraulic in comparison to the crappy nylon bushings that may last 5,000 miles before they are chewed up. He's about 30 miles from me. I took the support to him and he had it done in about an hour. They are not what NPD and other parts houses offer and likely will never wear out. They are a real roller bearing.
Here is the kit and the installation instructions are on the site. You can even have your old pedal support done. It doesn't matter if the are gone or not.

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2020, 02:27:30 PM »
I would like to confirm if these fasteners are correct or not. Naturally I assume they are, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong and probably not the last
I don't know about the first picture, the second is a well worn head marking of "NL" (the "L" over the "N") which is a relatively common marking for that time period.
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2020, 05:29:42 PM »
I don't know about the first picture, the second is a well worn head marking of "NL" (the "L" over the "N") which is a relatively common marking for that time period.
Jim

Thanks Jim. Re the first photo is there a chance that that is not the correct fastener. I assumed that it was correct since the lower bracket had a date stamp. More photos from the previous post showing more photos of the same carriage bolt. Did Ford even use carriage bolts? I think this is the only one I have seen on my car so far
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8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2020, 06:48:23 PM »
I would like to confirm if these fasteners are correct or not. Naturally I assume they are, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong and probably not the last
To be sure, the full dimensions of the bolts are needed. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but the sizes are more important.
Example: the second picture in this post, the "NL" head markings, are bolts with external tooth lock washers. The book says it's a bolt with a split ring lock washer, 43490-S8 (AM020 pg22, 5/16-18X3/4Hex).
Did Ford even use carriage bolts?
Yes. A lot, OK a few. I can't find the 67 drawing showing what I believe to be an adjustable bumper for the clutch pedal which i think uses a carriage bolt. Let me look some more.
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2020, 10:04:24 PM »
1967-8 pedal supports have a flat ribbed rubber piece with an arrow-shaped tab that inserts into the pedal support. No bolts on 67. 65-66 do bolt-on.
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Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Clutch & Brake Pedal Assembly
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2020, 10:29:27 PM »
1967-8 pedal supports have a flat ribbed rubber piece with an arrow-shaped tab that inserts into the pedal support. No bolts on 67. 65-66 do bolt-on.
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Thanks Keith. The aftermarket pedal support that came in my car had the arrow shaped tab on the rubber bumper as well. However it did not survive as it was pretty dried out. I still have it but dont think it is still useable
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968