Author Topic: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants  (Read 5443 times)

Offline 196667Bob

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Since my last Post on this subject, I have done considerable research on the Strap and its fastener.

This has included the following :

1)  1967 Chassis Assembly Manual

2)  1967 Engine Assembly Manual

3)  1967 Preliminary Shop Manual

4)  1967 Shop Manual

5)  1967 MPC

6)  1960-68 MPC (Text and Illustrations)

7)  1965-72 MPC (Text and Illustrations)

8)  VOL 67 S10 L2 Steering and Suspension Principles - Training Handbook

9)  All 1967 Shop Tips

10)  Any Special Service letters in my possession (missing quite a few)

11)   TSB's from No. 40 (06/03/1966) through No. 99 (09/27/1968), except for No.'s 85,
        86, 87, 95 and 97 which I am missing.

Unless I have just plain missed it, none of the above have any pictures, illustrations, text, or any such "animal" in regard to the Strap and its fastener.

My next "exercise" was to go through approximately 85 pictures of 67's, most of which had several or more, detailed pictures of Engine Compartments. These included junkers, low and higher mileage original un-restored cars, fully restored cars, and partially restored cars, and a mix from all 3 Plants.

While Kevin Marti's book "Mustang by the Numbers" shows that approximately 44% of 1967 Mustangs were ordered with the Power Steering Option, my sample of 85 does not reflect that.

As best as I could tell by the pictures, I can only say for sure, that 17 had Power Steering. Of these 17, I found the following :

   1) Only 2 had the complete Strap intact with its retainer.
   
   2) 1 had the complete Strap and retainer present, but the Strap was broken in half.

   3) 3 had remnants of the Strap held in place with the retainer.

   4) 6 had the retainers only.

   5) 2 had holes for the retainers only showing.

   6) 2 with Power Steering exhibited no evidence of holes in the
                Shock Tower. To me, this "says" that either the Shock Tower sheet metal was
                replaced, or the Power Steering was added by a Dealer or an Owner after the
               car left the Factory.

   7) All of the 12 retainers that were in place were of the "push in"
                pin type ; none were of the "screw-in" with serrated washer type as John
                pictured from a SJ donor car in his initial Post here, or as found on my 67
                (Dearborn).
                Interestingly, both the one John pictured (from SJ Plant), and mine (Factory PS from Dearborn), were identical in size, length, and the serrated washer.
                The only difference was the manufacturer's marking on the recessed hex head self- tapping screw(1/4"- 14 x 1").
      
             
   My next thought was to look at pictures of 68's that I had. I only have 23 pictures of 68's, again in various conditions. Interestingly, of the 23 pictures of 68's that I have, 16 had Power Steering (this is way over the almost 52% that Kevin Marti's book shows were ordered with Power Steering).
While I didn't do as detailed an "inventory" on the 68's as the 67's, I did find that 2 had the Straps and retainers completely intact, none had remnants of the strap, none had the retainer only, some had only the holes for the retainers present, and some showed no holes present in the shock tower sheet metal.

My review of the 68's then got me wondering ; was the Strap just something that was carried over from 1967 initially, and then was decided to eliminate in early 1968 ? Not having anything specifically for 68's, other than the MPC's, I didn't really have anything specific that I could check. Therefore, I ask that if any 1968 Owners reading this have the 1968 Shop Manual, 1968 Chassis Assembly Manual , 1968 Engine Assembly Manual  or other 1968 specific resource, please check them for any information on the Strap, and Post your findings in this Thread.

PARTS

As noted above, nowhere in my research did I find a Part Number for the rubber Strap. Based on the pictures and dimensions furnished by John and Jeff, I had a limited number machine cut and machine punched. While the originals appear to be actual tire cord strips, this is beyond reasonable to have made as such. What I did do was to have 3/16", double cord reinforced rubber used, in a similar durometer A (70-75) as tire cord. I will be listing my extras in the Parts for Sale section of the Marketplace in the near future.

In regard to the retainers for the Strap, I have also not been able to find anything specific on them, especially why both "push-in" types and "screw-in" types were used.  Since John's donor example was from SJ, and my car was from Dearborn, the difference was probably not a "Plant thing" ; possibly an "early/ late" item, or just another one of the many 1967 running changes.

Based on the description and pictures provided by Marty,  the "push-in" fastener appears to be Hardware Part Number 382040-S2. Interestingly, this fastener is shown in the 1960-68 MPC as being used on Full Size 1967 Fords, to hold the Defroster nozzle to the Heater Plenum. These fasteners can be a real "bear" to remove ; I have dealt with similar ones on earlier Fords. Unless you can reach both sides of the fastener with your two hands, you need a second set of hands ; one to squeeze the two "arrows" together, and the other to pry the "button end" out. Needing a second set of hands would be the case in regard to the PS Strap fastener. Possibly (?) this might have prompted the change to the "screw-in" type.
The good news, is that AMK shows these as being available ; just type in the Part Number in their "Search" box.

As for the "screw-in" type, all indications are that this is a SEMS fastener. I came to this conclusion based on several things ; first, I could find no separate serrated, conical washer of the correct ID and OD ; next, mine definitely has a "captive" washer (you cannot slip it off over the screw) ; AMK's Guide to Fasteners shows this part (376246-S) available in two different finishes ; finally, jwc's Mustang Hardware List shows this fastener as having two different applications in 1967, and one in 1968 (however, neither is for the PS Strap).
Once again, good news ; AMK shows this fastener as being available in both Phosphate and oil, and in Zinc Dichromate finishes. My fastener, as well as John's screw, appear to be the phosphate and oil.

Again, if anyone has any documentation on this PS Strap and its fasteners, please share here.

Bob
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2019, 08:04:17 PM »
Here's a picture of my strap.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2019, 01:11:25 AM »
Observations of my 1968 Cougars in the wrecking yard. San Jose and Dearborn only. Of the 20 or so 1968's:
SJ - Only 1 had the bolt mounting the strap, very early car, door tag date 30H. All the rest had push pins and or holes remaining. My next SJ in sequence, with push pin is December.
Very few Dearborn Cougars made it to our neck of the Pacific Northwest, no early cars to speak of. The latest 1968 Dearborn car with push pin is 19F. Only found push pins or empty holes in my Dearborn cars.

Only 3 big block 1968's, all San Jose. One had wrap around shock tower braces, had no hole for the strap. Of Note, the bracing would cover the holes. Our 2 X code cars, which do not have reinforced shock towers have holes only.
My own personal, Jan 9 build 1968 Dearborn Cougar, is a manual steer car. It also, does have the hole for the PS strap. 
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2019, 05:39:53 PM »
Here's a picture of my strap.

Is that the metal button style?  Metal top cover with the two saw toothed barbs?

You likely can't see or feel those unless you gain access from the wheel well
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2019, 09:46:06 PM »
I was able to remove one of the push pins, they have a coating on the heads. I cleaned this one and the paint/coating mostly came off. Not sure how accurate the parts drawings are for 382040-S2. Measurements are off slightly too.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2019, 10:38:51 PM »
From the 1968 Chassis Assembly Manual. It shows 2 straps for the P/S hoses. Also shows tape for A/C application. Both views are for 289/302 engines.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2019, 11:21:56 AM »
From the 1968 Chassis Assembly Manual. It shows 2 straps for the P/S hoses. Also shows tape for A/C application. Both views are for 289/302 engines.

Scott : Thanks for looking for and Posting this. I was hoping that the 1968 Assembly Manual(s) might show these.
So, no such "animals" shown for the other engines ?
Also, is there a "Legend" like in most of the Assembly Manuals that describes what 3C696 and 6E523 are ? Neither one shpws up in either the 1960-68 MPC, or the 1965-72 MPC.

Thanks again for sharing this.

Bob
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2019, 03:39:19 PM »
Just to followup... I have the metal button style. It's definitely metal as I tested it with a magnet. On the backside there is just one barb sticking through the wheel well. I've attached a picture. You can just see the one barb to the left of the control arm grease fitting.  Guess it's time to clean that area up.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2019, 04:49:32 PM »
Thanks for Posting the picture of your metal fastener. If you zoom in to your picture, you'll see that it is, in fact, the two-barb fastener ; one is overlapping the other. Notice also, that it appears to be the same as the ones Marty pictured in the thread that was only about the SJ Power Steering Straps.

And this is on your April 5, 1968 Metuchen Coupe, correct ?

Thanks again,

Bob
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2019, 08:34:50 PM »
Bob you've got better eyes than me.  Yes,  it's on my 1968 , Metuchen build coupe.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2019, 12:35:46 AM »
Bob,
The metal retainers were found on both of our 68 HCS's one built 6-20-68 SJ and the other 7-17-68 SJ. the 6-20 car has both straps and is a J code GT. The 7-17 car is a 289 C code 2V I just found 1 on it.

FYI my 67 GTA convertible 11-04-66 SJ car has no straps or holes.
 
I also would concur with the straps being made of tire scraps, I found one with a partial white wall.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2019, 01:07:27 AM »
Marty : Thanks for the information on the fasteners, and confirmation on the tire cord. I appreciate your "coming in" on both.

Also, sorry, but I can't remember, does your '67 have PS ?

Thanks again,

Bob
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2019, 09:19:53 AM »
Marty : Thanks for the information on the fasteners, and confirmation on the tire cord. I appreciate your "coming in" on both.

Also, sorry, but I can't remember, does your '67 have PS ?

Thanks again,

Bob

Yes it has power steering.

Two days apart, same situation...we have a trend.
Naturally, this was established AFTER I ordered a new strap from Bob.
Not the first time I jumped the gun on a detail that hadn't yet been fully investigated.

I think we (maybe it's just 'me') have a tendency to "assume" too much that the majority of these cars were essentially all built the same during similar time-periods when in reality, many times details such as these, differ from other cars built at a similar time and location.

This isn't my first time making such an assumption on this project. I did this same thing before and outfitted myself to have all of the parts & pieces to ADD a battery tray mounted vacuum reservoir when after further investigation, it became obvious that the particular detail was actually a running change (relating to the Tilt-away steering column option when combined with Select-Aire).

Maybe a few more examples BEFORE or near early November 66 in San Jose, may establish yet another running change, or at least a gap in the use of this strap on small blocks in the San Jose plant.

When I get a chance I will check my son in-law's 67 SJ coupe built11-09-66 with PS.
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2019, 09:45:58 PM »
Straps show up in the 1968 assembly manual.

Can you share what the basic part number is as listed in the assembly manual?
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Re: Small Block Power steering hose strap to shock tower - 68 All Plants
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2019, 03:57:30 AM »
Makes sense. Wonder if there is a technical bulletin? Straps show up in the 1968 assembly manual.

Scott : As noted in item 11 of my opening Post of this thread, I went through all of the TSB's from 06/03/66 through 09/27/68 (except for #85, 86, 87, 95 and 97 which I am missing), and found nothing on the Strap. As the ones that I am missing cover the period between 01/26/68 and 09/13/68, I would say that chances of anything in regard to the Strap appearing that late are slim.

Now that we have this somewhat narrowed down, I will go back and revisit my TSB's from August 1966 through February 1967, in case I possibly could have missed it.

Bob
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