Author Topic: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback NOS Leaf Springs vs Repro  (Read 8651 times)

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback NOS Leaf Springs vs Repro
« on: October 25, 2019, 02:04:03 PM »
Not sure how hard it would be to find original correct leaf springs to restore. I have looked on line to see what leaf spring options there are and so far I have found anything I like or feel comes close to original. Not sure what other guys are doing and putting on their cars. I did stumble upon a set of NOS springs locally. Not sure if they are legitimate or not. So far I only have the one photo, will try to get more. The guys said to make him an offer. He is a used Mustang parts guy. What would be a reasonable or going price for a set of NOS leaf Springs. He says that have never been used.

Does anyone have any experience with the Scott Drake Leaf Springs.

Any suggestions or advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 09:04:52 PM by bullitt68 »
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline preaction

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1330
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2019, 02:48:47 PM »
Are they $118.95 per spring or per set ?
8F02R218047-  July 18 1968   Dearborn

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2019, 04:01:57 PM »
Are they $118.95 per spring or per set ?

Eaton also make a correct 4 leaf spring as the ones on the Scott Drake Website shows a 5 leaf design. The Eaton spring is $184.50 Each. I am hoping to get better photos and more info on each so I can determine which spring would be the closest to stock appearing. I have no idea what the NOS springs are worth, but I suspect like with anything NOS they might want a lot of money for them. Clearly much more than aftermarket replacements. Also not sure if trying to find an old set of originals would make sense. What is everyone else doing for leaf springs on this site?
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline J_Speegle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24625
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2019, 05:14:32 PM »
.................. What is everyone else doing for leaf springs on this site?

Many - if their originals are rust pitted or just worn out - choose to purchase reproduction and swap or find a decent original short leaf with all the original markings. Reproductions may need to be disassembled and finished correctly and with the original style of clamps depending on your application - year and plant

Then home that the car will sit correctly one installed
Jeff Speegle

Anything worth doing is worth doing concours ;)

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2019, 05:43:07 PM »
Many - if their originals are rust pitted or just worn out - choose to purchase reproduction and swap or find a decent original short leaf with all the original markings. Reproductions may need to be disassembled and finished correctly and with the original style of clamps depending on your application - year and plant

Then home that the car will sit correctly one installed

Well I did find that NOS set that I posted. If I can't put a deal together on those I know that Scott Drake and Eaton both claim that their Springs are the most original looking. Regardless I would media blast them and re finish them correctly and put on correct hardware and hopefully find leafs with the part numbers stamped in them. If not I assume that the NOS stencil would be an acceptable next best option.
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline J_Speegle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24625
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2019, 06:02:11 PM »
Well I did find that NOS set that I posted. If I can't put a deal together on those I know that Scott Drake and Eaton both claim that their Springs are the most original looking. Regardless I would media blast them and re finish them correctly and put on correct hardware and hopefully find leafs with the part numbers stamped in them. If not I assume that the NOS stencil would be an acceptable next best option.

Have you check or confirmed that the -M was the original application for your specific car and options?  Often service replacements are stamped differently than originals so you will need to check that . Doubt they are the same but there is a slight IMHO possibility that they would be the same

Of course they will also need to be restored since they were painted to keep them (well that was the plan) from rusting while being stored waiting to be sold . Of course they would not have been stenciled on them ;)
Jeff Speegle

Anything worth doing is worth doing concours ;)

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2019, 07:35:32 PM »
Have you check or confirmed that the -M was the original application for your specific car and options?  Often service replacements are stamped differently than originals so you will need to check that . Doubt they are the same but there is a slight IMHO possibility that they would be the same

Of course they will also need to be restored since they were painted to keep them (well that was the plan) from rusting while being stored waiting to be sold . Of course they would not have been stenciled on them ;)

Just confirming as I was under the impression that all leaf springs back in the day were treated and not painted. All other leaf springs I have restored were installed unpainted based on my research. Also confirming that NOS would have been stencilled like other NOS sheet metal etc. Appears that Scott Drake is selling their version of the NOS springs.
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline 67gta289

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3080
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2019, 07:46:26 PM »
Factory original leaf springs were not painted.  They were identified by small stamped letters/numbers plus with painted colored stripes for easy reference on the assembly line, matching to the build sheet.

It sounds like NOS springs were painted so that they did not rust sitting around on a shelf.  I don't know if they were typically stenciled or not.

I would not consider what Scott Drake is selling as NOS, I would consider them reproductions.  There are a few suppliers out there.  I ended up using Eaton myself, and I had Eaton break them down and shot peen them for me to remove the paint.  If you look at other threads you will probably determine that none are excellent from the perspective of look.  The Eaton springs are a bit too squared off at the ends.  With some work you can make them look more like factory springs.  Also read the threads on the spring clamps and determine how you want to proceed there.

From what I've seen over the years, NOS springs are pretty difficult to come by, particularly compared to other items.   
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
7R02C156xxx
MCA 74660

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2019, 07:52:00 PM »
Thanks John. That is great news about Eaton as I didn't know that was an option, but one option I would go for, for sure. I have used Eaton on most of my other builds and they were actually a supplier to some manufactures back in the day. Not sure about Ford as I am new to the Mustang world. The springs on my car did not have the correct clamps either, but my understanding is that you can order correct clamps & discs etc. I didn't consider looking for used originals as I figure the chances of find good set worth restoring wouldn't be an option.
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline Bob Gaines

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9362
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2019, 08:19:50 PM »
Thanks John. That is great news about Eaton as I didn't know that was an option, but one option I would go for, for sure. I have used Eaton on most of my other builds and they were actually a supplier to some manufactures back in the day. Not sure about Ford as I am new to the Mustang world. The springs on my car did not have the correct clamps either, but my understanding is that you can order correct clamps & discs etc. I didn't consider looking for used originals as I figure the chances of find good set worth restoring wouldn't be an option.
There was a Eaton that supplied Ford springs . Their "E" makers mark is stamped in many leaf springs on Mustangs.  It was/is a huge multi National conglomerate. It is not the same Eaton that you bought your springs from which is minuscule by comparison . That Eaton you bought your springs from has had a bad habit in the past of not correcting people who make that incorrect association. Some years ago I questioned one of the more senior employees while talking about a 69 Shelby spring . I had heard from many that they had lead them to believe that they supplied Ford. I had done my research in Wards Automotive Yearbook. The information in that and other publications established the difference between the two companies. I was annoyed when it took several direct questions to get the person on the phone to admit the difference. I think that they let their employees believe it too. They got engineering drawings from Ford but that is about the extent of the association. I am sure the name association has helped their business. FYI they make a good product and do not need the subterfuge IMO. 
Bob Gaines,Shelby enthusiast, Shelby collector , Shelby concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2019, 08:35:13 PM »
Have you check or confirmed that the -M was the original application for your specific car and options?  Often service replacements are stamped differently than originals so you will need to check that . Doubt they are the same but there is a slight IMHO possibility that they would be the same

Of course they will also need to be restored since they were painted to keep them (well that was the plan) from rusting while being stored waiting to be sold . Of course they would not have been stenciled on them ;)

Hi Jeff I just spoke with the owner of the NOS springs and I have not confirmed what the "M" designation is for. I assumed that the part number on the spring is correct, but I have also never seen a set of NOS Mustang Leaf Springs. I was hoping that someone here might have that info and help point me in the right direction. I asked him how much he wanted for them and he said to make him an offer. Since the Scott Drake units are $200.00 each I am sure he would want at least double for them. He said he has had them for over 25 years and they are still in the box etc. I don't think I would be willing to pay $1000.00 for them as I could just buy some as pointed out by others and re finish and them and put the right clamps on them etc. Obviously not a common item at all.
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline ruppstang

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3936
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2019, 08:59:31 PM »
I am not sure what these NOS springs look like but the ones I have see had squared off ends and were not as good as the reproductions. I would be careful you know what you are buying before you spend big money and are disappointed.

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback Leaf Springs
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2019, 09:01:53 PM »
I am not sure what these NOS springs look like but the ones I have see had squared off ends and were not as good as the reproductions. I would be careful you know what you are buying before you spend big money and are disappointed.

Agreed and leaning towards the latter! 50 year old metal and won't be cheap. Only photo I have I posted above. Seller is not super motivated.
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968

Offline Bob Gaines

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9362
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback NOS Leaf Springs vs Repro
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 09:56:54 PM »
Not sure how hard it would be to find original correct leaf springs to restore. I have looked on line to see what leaf spring options there are and so far I have found anything I like or feel comes close to original. Not sure what other guys are doing and putting on their cars. I did stumble upon a set of NOS springs locally. Not sure if they are legitimate or not. So far I only have the one photo, will try to get more. The guys said to make him an offer. He is a used Mustang parts guy. What would be a reasonable or going price for a set of NOS leaf Springs. He says that have never been used.

Does anyone have any experience with the Scott Drake Leaf Springs.

Any suggestions or advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
All of the NOS service replacement springs I have ever had were stenciled with a part number similar to the picture.They are typically a one size fits all type item. I would be surprised if the number stamped into the metal of the bottom leaf of the NOS set is the same as the one original to your car. You may want to confirm before considering making a offer for purchase. If they are not the same like I suspect then the value to you or for that matter anyone else considering the one size fits various applications status would be diminished over a NOS assemblyline set. In that case one of the close reproduction sets with a transplanted bottom leaf would make the most sense from a historical stand point IMO.   
Bob Gaines,Shelby enthusiast, Shelby collector , Shelby concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Offline bullitt68

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2206
Re: 1968 San Jose GT 390 Fastback NOS Leaf Springs vs Repro
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 10:05:33 PM »
All of the NOS service replacement springs I have ever had were stenciled with a part number similar to the picture.They are typically a one size fits all type item. I would be surprised if the number stamped into the metal of the bottom leaf of the NOS set is the same as the one original to your car. You may want to confirm before considering making a offer for purchase. If they are not the same like I suspect then the value to you or for that matter anyone else considering the one size fits various applications status would be diminished over a NOS assemblyline set. In that case one of the close reproduction sets with a transplanted bottom leaf would make the most sense from a historical stand point IMO.   

Thanks Bob I am with you 100%. Now where can I get the right bottom leaf?
Mike
1968 Mustang Fastback GT 390 Raven Black, 4 speed
8R02S162374, San Jose, June 5, 1968