Topic: 67 Battery Discussion -

[J_Speegle]

Looks like a task to go through a bunch of buildsheets with attention to battery, alternator, ac, GT option is in order to at least collect base information to move forward.

Did I miss something?

[Bob Gaines]

Looks like a task to go through a bunch of buildsheets with attention to battery, alternator, ac, GT option is in order to at least collect base information to move forward.

Did I miss something?

Yes you were elected.

[J_Speegle]

Yes you were elected.

Was this a hand count or another secret ballot?   

[Texas Swede]

67402F7A 01317 came with heavy duty battery as per Marti report and the Z bracket.
Texas Swede

[midlife]

Was this a hand count or another secret ballot?   

Worse: election interference by unindicted co-conspirators...

[ruppstang]

Here a bit of battery information from the 68 electrical assembly manual.
No mention of up grade to a HD battery there for AC.

[preaction]

That's the info right there 45 amp hour for a 390 with standard trans which is what the build sheet was that I posted though it appears the amp hour went up with the A/C option IIRC means more plates in the battery case and maybe the heavy duty designation.

[preaction]

It looks like I typed to quickly as Marty stated no mention of A/C upping the battery used from the picture posted. Its interesting why an automatic transmission would get a higher rated battery.

[J_Speegle]

It looks like I typed to quickly as Marty stated no mention of A/C upping the battery used from the picture posted. Its interesting why an automatic transmission would get a higher rated battery.

Could be that the original owner specified/paid for it. Would need to see a bigger sampling to see if this was standard or not.

[ruppstang]

It looks like I typed to quickly as Marty stated no mention of A/C upping the battery used from the picture posted. Its interesting why an automatic transmission would get a higher rated battery.

I thought the same thing.
 I guess when your battery is dead in a manual you can jump start it, you can't in a automatic. LOL

[Bossbill]

I think Marty is correct.

In the later 60s GM stopped putting rear hydraulic pumps in their Powerglides.
Without a rear pump you cannot push start an automatic.
Ford's Fordomatic/Cruiseomatic through the early 60s could as well. I don't believe any C4 had a rear pump.

I remember push starting a 63 or 64 Impala with a Powerglide. The rear pump is connected to the driveshaft via the output shaft which makes it possible to build hydraulic pressure by pushing the car.

[Paperback Writer]

Here’s some Marti Report information...

I’ve got copies of 13 Marti Reports for cars with the Heavy Duty Battery option.
They break-down as follows:

Dearborn
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – With A/C, build date = 3/15/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Convertible – No A/C, build date = 4/17/1967
1967 289-2V Mustang GTA Fastback – No A/C, build date = 7/12/1967
1967 289-4V Mustang GTA Convertible – No A/C, build date = 8/2/1967

San Jose
1967 289-4V Shelby GT350 Fastback – No A/C, build date = 3/22/1967
1967 428-4V Shelby GT500 Fastback – No A/C, build date = 4/13/1967
1967 289-4V Shelby GT350 Fastback – No A/C, build date = 5/4/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 5/8/1967
1967 289-4V Shelby GT350 Fastback – No A/C, build date = 6/7/1967

Metuchen
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 1/5/1967
1967 289-2V Mustang (T5) GT Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 2/22/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 3/9/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 5/26/1967

FYI – The Marti Reports do not include Alternator information.  Other than these cars all being GT/GTA/Shelbys, there doesn’t seem to be a correlation to any other options. 

That being said, I have copies of Marti Reports for another 42 GT/GTA cars, and they do not have the Heavy Duty Battery option.
(Of them, 14 also had Air Conditioning)

Dearborn
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 12/15/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 12/28/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 1/24/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – With A/C, build date = 2/21/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 2/25/1967

San Jose
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 8/22/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Convertible – No A/C, build date = 9/22/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 9/28/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – No A/C, build date = 10/3/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 10/27/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Convertible – No A/C, build date = 11/10/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 11/12/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Convertible – No A/C, build date = 11/15/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 11/30/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – No A/C, build date = 12/13/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 12/20/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 12/21/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 12/29/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Hardtop – With A/C, build date = 1/9/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 1/11/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Convertible – With A/C, build date = 1/31/1967
1967 298-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 4/20/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 4/20/1967
1967 289-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 5/2/1967
1967 298-2V Mustang GTA Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 5/9/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 5/17/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 8/2/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 8/3/1967

Metuchen
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Hardtop – No A/C, build date = 9/19/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 9/29/1966
1967 289-4V Mustang GT Convertible – No A/C, build date = 11/28/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Hardtop – With A/C, build date = 12/3/1966
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 1/24/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – No A/C, build date = 1/26/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 4/2/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 4/5/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – With A/C, build date = 4/20/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Fastback – With A/C, build date = 5/2/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GTA Convertible – No A/C, build date = 5/9/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Convertible – No A/C, build date = 5/15/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Fastback – No A/C, build date = 7/18/1967
1967 390-4V Mustang GT Convertible – With A/C, build date = 7/28/1967

Hope this information helps!

Kevin

[67gtasanjose]

Is it just me, Kevin's findings of cars listed WITH H.D. battery option are all after January, 67?

Odd that none show up for August 66 thru December...

[Paperback Writer]

Is it just me, Kevin's findings of cars listed WITH H.D. battery option are all after January, 67?

Odd that none show up for August 66 thru December...

Yep - I noticed that too.  That's the reason I included the build dates...

It would be interesting to see the Marti Reports for some of the early Shelby GT500's/GT350's built in the Sep - Dec 1966 time frame...
(Unfortunately, I don't have any copies in my collection).

I take that back - I do have a Marti Report for the Shelby GT500 Convertible, built on 11/21/1966.
It does not list the Heavy Duty Battery option.

[Bob Gaines]

Yep - I noticed that too.  That's the reason I included the build dates...

It would be interesting to see the Marti Reports for some of the early Shelby GT500's/GT350's built in the Sep - Dec 1966 time frame...
(Unfortunately, I don't have any copies in my collection).

I take that back - I do have a Marti Report for the Shelby GT500 Convertible, built on 11/21/1966.
It does not list the Heavy Duty Battery option.

I am not sure but think that the battery apron might have been changed on that car. I don't remember the car ever having the extra bracket . Unfortunately If the apron was changed any evidence for or against the bracket would be lost .