Topic: Guide to Back Up Lights 1965-1970

[Anghelrestorations]

Put together a new guide on the different back up lights, lenses, hardware and versions.  If anyone has more input let me know. 

http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/back_up_lights_v1.1.pdf

IMG_8085 by Marcus Anghel, on Flickr

[J_Speegle]

Thanks for sharing.

On a first glance I would ask if the term "round washers" (page 6) is the best choice to describe the piece of hardware or if "domed" would be a better term.   Just a friendly comment or suggestion at first glance

Good work as usual 

[jwc66k]

I like it. Good job.
If I may add some 64-66 part number information:
The light retainer nut: 359606-S8
The spherical washer: 359972-S8
The lens screw, P/O lens kit: 376728-S
The lens screw I found: 380438-S
The stud does not seem to have a Ford part number. It's measurements are: 10-24X1 1/2 OA, gold zinc. I assigned the stud a reference number of UNK32.
You can get the dimensions and references from my spreadsheet.
JIm

[Anghelrestorations]

Thanks Jeff.  Domed washer may be a better way to explain it...I will change that.

Jim, The stud has a part number of 373424-S36 from the Ford drawings that I have for the back up lamp assembly.  I didnt really want to add all the part numbers for all the components because I think that would be more information than anyone would really need, especially since you cant order or search for those parts anymore. 

[midlife]

Throughout, the singular word for lens is mis-spelled as "lense".
I should have been an English teacher...sorry.

[ChrisV289]

In NPD's catalog, those washers are referred to as "cup" washers...and Virginia Mustang bell spacers...

[J_Speegle]

In NPD's catalog, those washers are referred to as "cup" washers...and Virginia Mustang bell spacers...

Looks like plenty of people looking for a term to describe those odd looking things. Not sure I would refer to them as a spacer but adapter (adapting to the curvature of the valance) isn't working for me either    I know sometimes I get contacted by the companies looking for the "correct" term or name for items they list and it can be fun at times.

[196667Bob]

While the Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalog lists the 359972-S8 washer "officially" as "Round", I think that Jeff's notation of "domed" with the addition of "slotted" is more descriptive of the actual part. Thus, I would note it as "Slotted Domed Washer/Spacer".

Just a thought.

Bob

[67350#1242]

I disagree with statement that 67 and up never had the domed spacer from factory as many if not all 67 and 68 that I've seen do have them installed.  Just my experience.

[196667Bob]

Marcus : As usual, an excellent Article. I trust this will end up in the Library Section along with your others.

I do have one comment though ; since this is a FORD Mustang Forum, I would suggest changing the reference of the "1958 Chevy Impala" to a "1957 Ford". While the 1958 Impala did have Back-op lights, they were really just a third housing added (first picture attached) that the lower models did not have, and thus were not really "integrated". The 1957 Fords and Thunderbirds on the other hand, had available as an Option, Back-up lights that were truly integrated into the Taillight/Stoplight lens (pictures 2 and 3).

Just a thought.

Bob

[jwc66k]

The stud has a part number of 373424-S36 from the Ford drawings that I have for the back up lamp assembly. 

Added to my spreadsheet. Thanks.

I didnt really want to add all the part numbers for all the components because I think that would be more information than anyone would really need, especially since you cant order or search for those parts anymore. 

That's not exactly true. The nuts and domed/spherical/cup/special washers are available from AMK. I fabricated a replacement stud from a piece of 10-32 threaded rod, dressed the ends and had it gold zinc plated to replace one damaged on a very good quality original from a friends 66 convertible.
A part number provides a common reference "name" to parts. You may ask the guys at the parts counter for something by name, but they will look up its part number. Don't be afraid to use them, even the ones that are obsolete.

While the Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalog lists the 359972-S8 washer "officially" as "Round", I think that Jeff's notation of "domed" with the addition of "slotted" is more descriptive of the actual part. Thus, I would note it as "Slotted Domed Washer/Spacer".

In a former life, I was involved with Military Logistics (I was a member of the Society of Logistics Engineers) where we cataloged new designed items (part and assemblies) for use in the Military supply system. One of the tools we used was Mil Handbook H2 which covers item description. The guidelines used are to identify an item by what it looks like (simply said), hence - Washer, Spherical, Special. On the other hand, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" (William Shakespeare - Romeo And Juliet).

I disagree with statement that 67 and up never had the domed spacer from factory as many if not all 67 and 68 that I've seen do have them installed.

Also called out on back up lights for 67 and 68, as -S8: and 69 and 70; as -S36; and on 67 and 68 Fastback side scoops.

Throughout, the singular word for lens is mis-spelled as "lense".
I should have been an English teacher...sorry.

Your, oops, I mean you're (a contraction for "you are") correct. It happens a lot (it is "two words"), mostly in duel, I mean dual (I don't want to fight about it) uses. Consider the use of proper English (American version) a feature of this Forum.
Jim

[67gtasanjose]

I disagree with statement that 67 and up never had the domed spacer from factory as many if not all 67 and 68 that I've seen do have them installed.  Just my experience.

I was thinking the same thing but did not yet go look at my lights to confirm. Perhaps this 67-68 situation needs a little more investigation.

[Anghelrestorations]

Lots of good input here - thanks to those who commented.

From a technical point of view, as it relates to the article, it would be good to see if anyone else sees if the extra "domed slotted washers" being used on 67 and 68 model year cars.  Although the documentation I have shows this washer specified all the way to end of 1970 I can say I have never seen it used in the the later years we are talking about here.

For the other things mentioned in the thread I will keep track and address some of the changes when I do an update. 

[Brian Conway]

For my Sept. 68 Metuchen car you have all the particulars covered.  L and R markings, speed nuts, C7 housing, C9 harness and a single lens in each housing.  The ability to enlarge your graphics would be a plus.  Thanks Marcus

[Anghelrestorations]

Brian...if you download and save the document as a PDF, you can then enlarge the photos and document by as much as 400% then if you needed to see them better.