Topic: Scott Drake or Ford product?

[MustangAndFairlane1867]

I've been shopping for a pair of Ford NOS (or very-good-condition used) "Mustang 2+2" emblems for the front fenders of the '65 Mustang fastback I'm restoring. So far I've seen several emblems on eBay with their original boxes (supposedly) and many of them bear the cast numbers C5ZZ-16098-C on the back of the first "2" in the emblem. So far so good. But when I Google that cast number, they don't come back to Ford, they come back to Scott Drake, which leads me to my question: are these Ford "NOS" emblems advertised on eBay actually reproduction emblems from Scott Drake (who, I personally think, does an excellent job with his reproductions), and if they are, how does someone like me go about finding a true Ford NOS pair of these emblems? I'm sure there's a simple and logical explanation, but at the moment it escapes me. Thanks, Ron

[ChrisV289]

I don't believe the Scott Drake ones would have the part number on the back but I could be wrong...

[MustangAndFairlane1867]

Chris: 

I agree.  Why would Ford allow that? In my opinion, they wouldn't.

So it begs the question why does Drake's name come up instead of Ford's name when someone Googles a legitimate Ford part number? 

Ron   

[ChrisV289]

Might be listed under the drake catalog that way.  Just like when you google the bolts/nuts/etc... they will show up under AMK

[jwc66k]

So far I've seen several emblems on eBay with their original boxes (supposedly) and many of them bear the cast numbers C5ZZ-16098-C on the back of the first "2" in the emblem.

You should use the actual casting number C5ZB-16098-E. Try that number on this search engine https://duckduckgo.com/ (I am not a fan of Google even though several of my neighbors work there). I put that number in and came back with several hits on e-bay. It's an expensive part.
If you find any Ford part number with a "Z" in the fourth position (C5AZ-12345-x), it represents a service part number, which is actually only a space on a shelf, a stock number, what is marked on a box, bag or tag, and in most cases refers back to the original engineering part number. It's a system that works for Ford.
Jim

[MustangAndFairlane1867]

Thanks, guys!  And Jim, that info on the "true" casting number was especially helpful!  Thanks, Ron...

[JKWilson]

Ron just to clarify a little about repop parts containing a Ford number (and usually the oval), licensing agreements can allow their inclusion (and on better quality repop parts, frequently do). IMHO it makes identifying NOS parts from repops much more difficult especially if you can't do a side by side comparison.  Two manufacturers that come to mind that have many repop parts which bear a Ford number (and often the Oval), are both Scott Drake and Daniel Carpenter.

[Bob Gaines]

Ron just to clarify a little about repop parts containing a Ford number (and usually the oval), licensing agreements can allow their inclusion (and on better quality repop parts, frequently do). IMHO it makes identifying NOS parts from repops much more difficult especially if you can't do a side by side comparison.  Two manufacturers that come to mind that have many repop parts which bear a Ford number (and often the Oval), are both Scott Drake and Daniel Carpenter.

Scott Drake typically puts "Scott Drake" on the part and not a Ford trademark or part number.

[JKWilson]

Scott Drake typically puts "Scott Drake" on the part and not a Ford trademark or part number.

Sorry that you misunderstood my comment but I never said "always". It was also directed to Ron's second question he asked about Ford allowing the use of their name/part number,

Chris: 
I agree.  Why would Ford allow that? In my opinion, they wouldn't.
So it begs the question why does Drake's name come up instead of Ford's name when someone Googles a legitimate Ford part number? 

Ron   

If I gave the impression that they "always" apply a part number/trademark I'd like to clarify that was not my intent. In my job I deal with trademarking and work directly with the Ford trademark office I get to look at a lot of parts and pieces that are licensed (and not licensed), by them. The two manufacturers I mention are two that I see frequently. That's in addition to all of the Scott Drake parts I have purchased through many years.

[MustangAndFairlane1867]

Bob/JK

FYI: I just received in the mail the driver's side Scott Drake "Running Horse" emblem that appears on the front fenders of '65 and '66 Mustang fastbacks and here's what is cast on the back of the emblem:

                                             C5ZZ-16229-B
                                                      LH
                                               SCOTT DRAKE

No "oval" and no mention of Ford or Mustang, etc.  And I must say, the quality and attention to detail on this emblem is incredibly good, and it arrived in less than a week after I ordered it online with free shipping.  My kudos to SD.

Thanks for all your input.  It was an interesting conversation.

Ron

 

[jwc66k]

My kudos to SD.

There are many aftermarket companies that make excellent products and take pride in them. Others, not so much.
Jim

[Bob Gaines]

With a typical superior product it is irritating to me because Scott Drake puts there name many times (depending on the product) in places that you can still see the Scott Drake name even when installed. In some cases more pronounced then others. I understand the need for name recognition but from my point of view I wish they would put the name so it can't be seen once installed on all of their products. I know some are happy because it makes it easy to tell if a repro or not on the items where you can see the name even when installed.