Topic: 67 S Code with a 2v intake?

[carguytroy]

I’ve been searching for an engine for my 67 S code project and I believe I found one locally. In talking to the guy the date code is correct and he says he believes it was out of a 67 Cougar or Mustang. Heads are correct also. The weird thing is it has a 2bbl intake with the big “S” on it like the 4bbl ones I’ve seen. I haven’t personally seen the engine yet, going to look at it Monday or Tuesday. From everything I’ve read these all came with a 4bbl intake. Did Ford make a 2v and a 4v version? The guy says he also has a 4bbl intake that has the right casting numbers etc that he will throw in with the deal, but I figured I would ask if they made both.

[ruppstang]

IMHO what you have is a X code 2V 390.

[carguytroy]

Ahhh, I see. Well as long as the date codes, heads etc are correct for my car like he says then I’m all over it for the 500.00 price tag. I’ll hang the 2V intake on the wall of the garage.

[J_Speegle]

Ahhh, I see. Well as long as the date codes, heads etc are correct for my car like he says then I’m all over it for the 500.00 price tag. I’ll hang the 2V intake on the wall of the garage.

What is the engine out of? And I guess you have confirmed its a67 not a 68 or later. 

Believe you will find that the heads are not C7AE-A's and the exhaust manifolds will be different

Now it maybe (since 67 Mustangs and Cougars didn't get a 2V 390) that during the gas crunch someone swapped the intakes and carb to hope to get better gas mileage

Your going to have to check everything to see if this is just an intake swap or a motor built with parts from different engines or something else

[196667Bob]

Now it maybe (since 67 Mustangs and Cougars did get a 2V 390) that during the gas crunch someone swapped the intakes and carb to hope to get better gas mileage

Jeff : Don't you mean that "since 67 Mustangs and Cougars did not get a 2V 390". 1967's had the 4V, and 1968 had both 2V and 4V available.

Bob

[ruppstang]

Bob you are right I should have added to my post that a X code is a 68 engine.

[J_Speegle]

Jeff : Don't you mean that "since 67 Mustangs and Cougars did not get a 2V 390". 1967's had the 4V, and 1968 had both 2V and 4V available.

Bob

Thanks for catching the typo. Fixed

[carguytroy]

If that’s the case then I hope that someone just swapped the intake. I’m going to go check it out thoroughly before buying it for sure.

[67gta289]

The three main components to look out for are exhaust manifolds, heads, and intake manifold.  There are of course a few scenarios of how this particular set up ended up in a 67 Mustang.  Here are a few:

1. "X" code 2V from a 68 Mustang
2. 2V (don't know code) from a 67 Fairlane
3. "S" code from a 67 Mustang that had a 2V intake swap out
4. 2V from a full size Ford or Mercury

EXHAUST MANIFOLDS
Since it sounds like it was in a Mustang, the exhaust manifolds are probably correct from a part number perspective.  Exhaust manifolds from a full size Ford would never fit.  If the engine is out of the car, make sure that the correct exhaust manifolds are part of the deal.

1. If 68 "X" code, the date code will be wrong
2. If 67 Fairlane 2V, you might also have a reasonable date code. 
3. If 67 S code, you might have a reasonable date code
4. If from a full size Ford, the exhaust manifolds will flat out not fit in the engine compartment. The bolt pattern is also wrong (discussed more below). 

HEADS
The basic 390 head design, used in large bodied cars, had to be modified for tight quarters of the 66 Fairlane, used also in the 67 Mustang.  The main difference is the exhaust manifold bolt pattern. 

Since it sounds like the engine was in a Mustang (if you did not see it, make sure), the heads are either correct from an exhaust manifold perspective, or they have been modified to work.  I remember back it the day helping my brother who got a 390 out of a Galaxie and put it into what was a 302 based 68 Cyclone.  We needed to get proper exhaust manifolds (the Galaxie would not fit), only to find out the exhaust manifold bolt pattern was different and we needed to get the heads drilled.  Certainly not Concours, but these things happened.

The 67 MPC lists four different 390 heads:
C6AZ-6049-AA --> Full size Ford all variations without T/E
C6AZ-6049-AB --> Full size Ford all variations with T/E
C6OZ-6049-AA --> Fairlane and Mustang all variations (2V, 4V) without T/E (there was no Mustang 2V in 67, but there was a Fairlane version)
C6OZ-6049-AB --> Fairlane and Mustang all variations (2V, 4V) with T/E

The 60-68 MPC lists four different 390 heads:
C6OZ-6049-AA --> Fairlane and Mustang all variations without T/E (replaced by C8OZ-6049-B in April 68)
C6OZ-6049-H --> Fairlane and Mustang all variations (2V, 4V) with T/E (before 6/1/66)
C8OZ-6049-A --> Fairlane and Mustang all variations (2V, 4V) with T/E (from 6/1/66)
C8OZ-6049-B --> 68 Fairlane and Mustang 2V/C6 and 69 Fairlane/Mustang

Based on the last two, there was a difference in the heads, so you have some work to do if you want the right ones.  Whether or not you need Thermactor is part of that process.

INTAKE
This should be the easiest of the bunch, and it sounds like he has the one you need, with the only question being date code if you are looking for something correct along those lines.

[carguytroy]

Wow! Great info! When I spoke to him on the phone he said it had GT heads and it came out of a Mustang or Cougar, but he bought the engine from someone else who had a bunch of them I guess so who really knows for sure. I’ll know more either tomorrow or Tuesday when I go take a look. Says the engines he has are covered in plastic or something and doesn’t want to fully uncover it unless I’m serious and that I need to come take a look.

[427Fastback]

Those are cyl head part numbers not casting numbers.67 GT would be (as already noted)C7AE-A and 68's would be C8AE-H.C8 heads were available in 8 bolt and 14 bolt exhaust patterns and with or with out thermactor holes.The C8 heads were also used up until the D2 head replaced it.A 71 360 2V has C8AE-H heads...

[J_Speegle]

Those are cyl head part numbers not casting numbers.67 GT would be (as already noted)C7AE-A and 68's would be C8AE-H.C8 heads were available in 8 bolt and 14 bolt exhaust patterns and with or with out thermactor holes.The C8 heads were also used up until the D2 head replaced it.A 71 360 2V has C8AE-H heads...

Believe there were different versions of the C8AE-H. It may have been used as a service part also with different exhaust mounting holes patterns. Have seen it with both standard and "GT" patterns in the past. But that's not going to apply likely in this search if the seller is is seeing C7AE-As. But the use of just GT heads can be misleading

[J_Speegle]

As mentioned each of the heads were produced with different number of exhaust manifold bolt/hole patterns. And there were thermactor and non-thermactor versions also


Since the focus is 67 S code here is a picture of a NOS C7AE-A (non- thermactor version) head I have

[427Fastback]

Mr.Speegle is correct..Pretty sure that's the same head the 67 GT500 used.

[J_Speegle]

Mr.Speegle is correct..Pretty sure that's the same head the 67 GT500 used.

Correct this was the same head as used on those cars if you add in the addition of the two versions depending on and indicated in the Shelby's VIN