Topic: 1967 Shelby K/H steel wheels

[Brian Styles]

Bill,
The production order sheet for my 67, #1317 says Stockton-Quincy Ford, Westwood, Calif.
model # 67 402 F7A, Shelby Seral # 01317, Key number, Completion Date and when order was received.
Below it says,
OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT   
Wheels Standard     Shelby    Other     Radio         Other
        XX                                                          Pico Rivera Inventory

Have you checked with Dave if SAAC has this sheet for your car?
Texas Swede

A "XX" in the Standard wheel box is for steel wheels.
It's worth noting that I have seen some Production Orders that had no wheel boxes marked, and in those cases I feel standard wheels would be the logical assumption as to how the cars were built and left SAI.
Also worth noting that per what you posted from your car's Production Order, it appears that #1317 should not have a radio.

BTW, could you tell me the Ford Dealer Code and full address for Stockton Quincy? It's on your Marti Report. I track 8 cars sold through that dealership, but I do not have their full information...

[Bossbill]

I moved references to radio here: http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12429.0

I guess I just stored a bunch of paperwork without really digging into the order of things.

My SAI production order lists Standard Wheels with a "XX", typed out. A hand written 'X' with circle surrounding has been added to the radio option box.. See referenced radio thread for more on that.

So it makes sense that the SAI Vehicle Invoice would not list Magstar or 10 spoke wheels; ditto for the Window sticker.

[Texas Swede]

Brian,
The Marti Report says:
Order Type Retail
DSO Item # 5811 (This number also appears in the Shelby Production Order typed just below the Shelby Serial #)
Dealer 71B023
           Stockton Quincy Ford Inc
           1522 Westwood Blvd
           Los Angeles, CA

Texas Swede

[Bossbill]

Ok, back to wheels. Trying not to drive the wheels off this topic.

This post: http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=20509.msg132345#msg132345
offers a Dearborn unrestored K with the competition suspension. Those are really rare cars much less with the competition suspension. The picture of the spare tire was really interesting and that's the point of this post.


Since this image links to an external site I hope the poster doesn't care if I copy it (see attach) in case it does the disappearing act. We know all about that ...

Here is the picture of a 67-only Shelby wheel from page 1 of this post and we will compare it to the K-code's subject wheel.


They are both marked KW (Kelsey Wheel) and have the FoMoCo in an oval in red item C.
They are also three nub as noted by red item B. Three nub is only used 67 or earlier. 68 on up wheels have 4 nubs.

What the subject wheel appears to be missing is a month on one of the other item 'C's and a day on the other.
The subject wheel is also missing the cat's eyes of item A. The wheel is a solid disc all the way around. Do note I've seen the backside of a few of these in T-Birds of the same year and you will sometimes see a slight amount of daylight where the cat's eyes should be, but the slit is extremely small and doesn't really merit being called a cat's eye.

That's all I can tell from just photos as I can't verify the offset or the rim width.

[On edit -- The wheel on the K-code car are now called the 'subject' wheel, not 'comp']

[J_Speegle]

In your upper picture directly above it shows what appears to be what I've found on 65-67 T-Birds. Have a 67 dated one outside. Will grab one and take some pictures of it to continue the discussion.

I've never been able to see through or around the edges of the center on one cut outs (semicircles) appear to be 3/8" or more from the face.



 

Will get the 67 original spare from a Shelby down out off the shelf for some additional close up and details of that one also. 

Here is a picture of one of five on a 67 Dearborn built fastback with comp suspension that was restored a few years back that did very well. Appears to be a match for the one from my past car.




Unfortunately on the last comp suspension car I took pictures of the owner was not around so didn't get any pictures of the spare (had wheel covers on all the other wheels)  and the one I owned I never really paid attention to the factory wheel.  in the late 80's- early 90's

[Bossbill]

A comparison would be great.

I should mention that the comparison I was making was to the OP's wheel. This shouldn't be taken to mean all competition wheels are or are not of this style.
The wheel vendors normally do list the "no cat's eye wheel" as a T-bird wheel, but I don't have the data to support a conclusion.
Looking forward to the pics!

[J_Speegle]

Went out and located one of each (67 Shelby and 67 T Bird wheel)

Here's a comparison for the major details. Checked both wheels - Both made by the same supplier - and neither had any dates on the rim or centers other that the large 67 on the face of the center section. Earlier wheels you can often find size and dating on the rim section. On later ones you can also often find a date (depending on year and supplier) dates on the rim and centers - sometimes coded


Center markings on the face (nothing found on the backside) 
Year - 67 
KW - Supplier
Ford in oval
Month (number of month) -(arrow)
Also notice that location of each is in a different order around and between the lug nut openings




Back side of center. Both were spot welded rather than rivet or edge welded like other years and wheels. Openings or non openings are shaped and cut differently.  Comp and Shelby wheels have a larger and wider opening while T Bird cut outs and shape do not create a very visible opening if at all. On the one I took pictures of. Liquid poured on the area flowed through in short time (little or not light would pass through before test) while some held the liquid for 3-5 minutes before seeping through




Openings from the face side





Not very clear but this may be a picture of a comp/Shelby wheel from the late 60's. Appears that there is a visible gap as expected in the 4-5 o'clock area of the wheel





In going through my collection of pictures (yes slightly off thread  it was interesting to see that the car that was used as the prototype for the 67 GT500  appears to have not had the competition suspension or at least not the wheel and tires that came with the package.

[Bossbill]

Referring to your pic:

I believe the arrow points to a month.

The other wheel you have here:

has a 5 for a "date".  I have two Comp wheels of 1. I have another date too, but would have to drag out the wheel as I forget what it was.

[J_Speegle]

Referring to your pic:
I believe the arrow points to a month.

Changed the wording above to leave room for discussion and discovery.

[Bossbill]

I went and looked at another comp wheel in the shop and it's a "6"  "67".

I have a pic from Vernon E. and his comp wheel has "12" "66" on it.

Just more data points. What an adventure just learning about these wheels!

[J_Speegle]

I went and looked at another comp wheel in the shop and it's a "6"  "67".

I have a pic from Vernon E. and his comp wheel has "12" "66" on it.

With those data points I believe we have confirmation  that the number is the month

Just for reference the one in my post above - the 3/67 is from a 67 GT350 finished at San Jose on 5/17/67 according to records

[Bossbill]

Did some editing and came up with a decent enough picture of the December center. Due to roundness of the surface the FoMoCo/oval does not always stamp well.

[ruppstang]

For what is worth here is a picture of our 12-02 67 1968 GT350 spare.

[Bossbill]

And it has a date of "12 67".

The differences with the 67 model year wheel are:
-- There are also codes around the valve stem introduced in 68.
-- There are 4 hubcap nubs as model year 68 introduced that.
-- The cat's eye area is now more of 'D' shape -- not a cat's eye anymore.

There are also codes in the area between the beads (area inside of tire) on both years if I remember correctly.

[Bob Gaines]

For what is worth here is a picture of our 12-02 67 1968 GT350 spare.

Is that the one that is supposed to have small letters tires on it.