Topic: 65-66 original u-joints - any pictures?

[CharlesTurner]

Sorry I meant to say they don't allow plugs now either

Ah, right.  Easy way around that is make sure the joint is greased well, then put a plug in the hole and grind it down smooth.  Doing that, obviously, prohibits the joint from being greased in the future though.

[J_Speegle]

I searched for a while trying to order a PAIR for my 67 without zerks...oh what fun it is. Yellow Boots, Blue Boots, Red Boots, Store Brand or Spicer...couldn't locate a PAIR from any single source to "match". ( I get the rule but...)

Yes it takes a while to find what current brand of U joints have black boots and which ones do not (as well as unmarked caps)  Doesn't work well ordering them doing this by mail

Just one more reason to keep or scrounge originals or in this case just old ones and reuse the black boots

There use to be a brand of U joints that had the zert in one of the caps which meant that you could swap out the cap for another one and you had a no zert U joint. Only issue (but closer to the original details) was the U joint was shaped differently  but it gave you a decent replacement while you looked for an original

[J_Speegle]

Well, A, C, and K...from what i've read in other posts some people swear the hipo's came with inside lock rings and some swear they were all outside lock rings...

Looked through my pictures and all of the 65-66 Mustangs I have pictures of with original U joints have outside lock rings.

Just reporting on what I found.

[C9ZZ-16228-B]

Looked through my pictures and all of the 65-66 Mustangs I have pictures of with original U joints have outside lock rings.

Just reporting on what I found.

Jeff, is that pictures of 65-66 K-codes or all 65-66's? 
...does that mean too that you have pictures of '66's with outside lock rings?

[jwc66k]

Per "The 289 High Performance Mustang" by Tony Gregory (4the ed) page 70 - "HiPo shafts used the same U-joints as standard 289 cars. Before 10-5-64, U-joints with the cup retainers at the outside ends were used. After 10-5-64, the retainer snaps into the cup, near the inner end."
Jim

[CharlesTurner]

Outer locks from an early Feb '65 K code San Jose convertible:

http://65kresto.blogspot.com/2009/12/122209.html

[J_Speegle]

Jeff, is that pictures of 65-66 K-codes or all 65-66's? 
...does that mean too that you have pictures of '66's with outside lock rings?

Don't have any Mustang 65 K's to share but it looks like Charles has one. Have 65-66 V8's and cylinders with the outside locking rings. Looking for some of my 66 K code Mustang examples next. Wanted to respond so you didn't think I had forgotten

[NEFaurora]

"Looked through my pictures and all of the 65-66 Mustangs I have pictures of with original U joints have outside lock rings.

Just reporting on what I found.   J. Speegle."


Jeff,

Does that go for '65-'66  6 cylinder cars too??  It looks like Gary's have the Internal Lock Rings on his 6 CYL. 'Vert...


*Also, What year did they start using both types.....?!?? And are both types both usable in the same yoke, or is each different type U-joint Yoke Specific??!??

I have always wondered these questions!

Thanks,

Tony K.

[NEFaurora]

Some findings...

I just crawled under my Dearborn '65 'vert and my Dearborn '66 'vert and both cars have the Internal Lock Ring type U-joints at both the front and rear of the cars.  Both cars are 6 bangers..(6 cyl.) cars.

Maybe the 6 cyl. cars had the Internal Lock Rings and the V8 cars had the External Lock rings on '65-'66 Cars... ?!? 

)

Tony K.

[mgmradio]

Both of my June 65 Dearborn cars have internal locks . See the convertible pictures on the previous page.

[NEFaurora]

I'm thinking that the 6cyl cars had the internal locks.....and that the V8's could have had either internal or external locks..  because I have now seen both on the V8's, but only the internal locks on the 6 bangers..

)

Tony K.

[J_Speegle]

I'm thinking that the 6cyl cars had the internal locks.....and that the V8's could have had either internal or external locks..  because I have now seen both on the V8's, but only the internal locks on the 6 bangers..

We see allot of things - does not mean that it makes it original nor correct. Would not agree that V8s could have either but instead there are specific time periods and applications that would require one or the other. IMHO doubt it was a hit or miss thing at the factory where the worker wound assemble one of these and two of that style. There was a reason and and purpose.

Appears Mike's cars represent two time periods showing that very early cars (when looked at Deaarborn early production period) used the external when comparing these two time periods, applications and production plant.

[mgmradio]

Jeff you got it backwards. The Aug 64 coupe has exter clips and the June 65 cars have inside clips.

[J_Speegle]

Jeff you got it backwards. The Aug 64 coupe has exter clips and the June 65 cars have inside clips.

Thanks Mike - corrected and added to it 

[C9ZZ-16228-B]

I wanted to share some findings regarding 65-66 u-joints:

First, some pictures attached.  The left column are the only non-greasable ILR i've been able to find, front (top) and rear (bottom).  The center column are original plugged joints.  The right are later BW service joints that match Ford service joints I've seen.

Going through more ILR driveshafts, I've found several MBW (Mechanics Borg Warner) u-joints with plugs, as well as rear joints with strapped caps. 

The '65 and '66 Comet/Falcon/Fairlane/Mustang shop manuals say "The universal joints are provided with a threaded plug which can be removed for lubrication when necessary."  That sentence is conspicuously absent in the 67 and later shop manuals.

I found examples of the #C3AA-4868-G slip yoke for both ILR and OLR applications.  Any thoughts as to why a BW-supplied driveshaft assy would have a Ford/Dana slip-yoke?

A Feb 65 San Jose C-code I looked at has inside lock rings.
A March 65 San Jose K-code I looked at has outside lock rings.
I'm just stating this, i'm not claiming anything about the OLR/ILR transition, or K-codes being all OLR.