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Offline J_Speegle

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66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« on: December 18, 2016, 05:36:41 PM »
We discussed this feature earlier in another thread and the subject came up (related to San Jose production) on another site so wanted to extend the research to or members and include what data we could add to what I'm assembling.  Same "rules" as the other surveys

 This thread is posted to collect data related to the square rubber pad attached to the passenger side inner fender panel near the positive battery post and its mounting methods that  applied to original 66 Mustangs build at all three plants. To participate please read the following. Thanks for your participation

- This is ONLY for 1966 Mustangs!!

- Participants need to  provide the cars VIN (you can leave off the last two numbers if you choose to keep it private) and the projected build date from the original door/warranty tag. If you happen to have the original date of sale that might help also

- Look for features or clues of the panel being replaced. Not uncommon and often from acid/rust or accident damage

- We're interested in if there are holes for the plastic rivets in the rubber pad or not. If there are small round holes in the inner fender panel or not. If there are signs of four staple holes (very very small holes) in the inner fender panel. A combination of a number of these findings or something else.

- Picture would really help confirm things.

Again thanks for your time

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San Jose results so far

After looking at the date the follow pattern has appeared. Early in the production year San Jose stapled the battery post shield to the passenger side inner fender panel much like how the radiator seals were attached on those cars so equipped. A change was made and the new design meant that the shields would be attached using four plastic insert rivets. This design change was reflected much earlier in the year as the shields were provided to the factory with the four holes in the rubber pads.

During the transition it appears that San Jose workers continued to staple the shields as the pre punch (with holes for the plastic retaining rivets). Not sure if this is due to a lack of the rivets or having a mix of punched and unpunched panels available. Once all cars started receiving the punch inner fender panels the rivets were used consistently through the rest of production.


The transition period at this point appears to be between 6R164xxx and 6R172xxx




So since cars were not in sequential order and cars completed (documented) on the same day could have a range of sequential numbers by as much as 4,000 units I would say that this is as close as we can get given today's available information and limitations.

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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 08:21:39 PM »
No picture, but Midlife (6T09A1851xx) with an original fender apron had the four holes but no rubber shield when I got it in 1998.  Jan 1966 Metuchen car.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 06:56:40 PM »
same with mine. Jan 21st Metuchen. Rubber pad was missing however the original plastic rivets were still there.  6T07C1962##
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 09:41:16 PM »
Four holes in sheetmetal but no rubber pad or pins when I bought it in 1980. 6T09K12 October Metuchen build
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2016, 12:13:39 AM »
A pair of San Jose cars both with pads installed, the first with a scheduled build date of 15 Oct 65, the second of 18 Oct 65. You can see a slightly different location for the pins. The pad on the "K" code was replaced, the "A" code (a daily driver - retired) I've had since 1988 and have not replaced that one.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2016, 09:13:41 AM »
6F08C2602XX  18B
Rubber shield, four holes in shield and inner fender, plastic rivets

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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2016, 07:53:29 PM »
For Metuchen 6T08C129XXX, scheduled build date October 16, 1965: four holes for the plastic rivets. Rivets and pad replaced.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 09:37:42 AM »
SAN JOSE BUILT, 11-08-65, 6R09K129XXX, STAPLED, BUT WITH HOLES FOR RIVETS IN PAD, HOPE PIC COMES THRU, THIS CAR WAS OWNED BY ONE MAN SINCE 7-66. HOPE THIS HELPS, AS THIS IS A MOSTLY ORIGINAL CAR, SO FAR ALL COMPONENTS ARE THERE EXCEPT CORRECT RADIATOR.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2016, 02:55:14 AM »
SAN JOSE BUILT, 11-08-65, 6R09K129XXX, STAPLED, BUT WITH HOLES FOR RIVETS IN PAD, ........

Since the door tag date was just a guess do you happen to have the stamping date for the panel?  Below the where the battery tray attaches under the battery but above where the support arms attache just above the frame rail
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2016, 08:02:05 PM »
I am working out of town but will look this weekend. do you need door tag pic?
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2016, 10:18:14 PM »
I am working out of town but will look this weekend. do you need door tag pic?

No the door tag will only provide the date that the plant guessed the car might have been built on but often off by weeks or even months. We can wait for the date thanks for considering and participating. We seem to get a fair amount of information collected when allot of members participate :)
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2016, 02:48:57 PM »
For San Jose 6R09A1504XX, Stapled original pad (has the holes for plastic rivets ONLY IN THE PAD). I'll try an get a picture posted up later and provide the panel date stamp also. I know it's there, as I remember seeing it awhile back when I had the battery removed and was detailing the tray area.

*I'm going to have to remove my battery tray to get that date stamp it appears. The date stamp on top of the bracket for the sway bar is 12 17 2, all the spot welds are original around it, so I'm confident with this data provided.

**Ok, having a well earned Dark Ale now...date on the panel is 12 3. I couldn't make out the shift number but I managed to get the important part at least.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2016, 04:53:44 AM »
For 6R07T213966
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2017, 04:45:21 PM »
removed battery tray and as of now can't locate date stamping. were they all above where panel meets frame rail? I may have to get some paint remover to get thru the gunk, washed it and scrubbed with brush but buildup there, all spot welds appear are original. OOOOPS, you scolded me about zip file, sorry.
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Re: 66 SJ Running Change Survey Thread - Battery Shield
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2017, 04:53:47 PM »
removed battery tray and as of now can't locate date stamping. were they all above where panel meets frame rail? I may have to get some paint remover to get thru the gunk, washed it and scrubbed with brush but buildup there, all spot welds appear are original. OOOOPS, you scolded me about zip file, sorry.


You can see/take a picture through the "window" created by the lower battery tray support





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