Author Topic: Crankshaft pulley - 6 Cylinder  (Read 2107 times)

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Crankshaft pulley - 6 Cylinder
« on: September 21, 2016, 03:58:49 PM »
Hi there,

Just to make sure, I am asking for the O.D. of the crankshaft pulley for a 200 I6 TE, with no PB, PS nor AC.
I have measured it and and looks 5 5/8" to me, am I right..?
Sorry I'm not use to SAE measures.

Josep
« Last Edit: May 21, 2020, 09:27:46 PM by J_Speegle »
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline midlife

  • Wiring Guru---let me check your shorts!
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 2171
    • Midlife Harness Restorations
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 06:45:51 PM »
My documentation says 5 55/64th inches, which is closer to 5 7/8ths.  My documentation could be wrong, though.
Midlife Harness Restorations - http://midlifeharness.com

Offline jwc66k

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7306
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2016, 07:04:14 PM »
Just to make sure, I am asking for the O.D. of the crankshaft pulley for a 200 I6 TE, with no PB, PS nor AC.
I have measured it and and looks 5 5/8" to me, am I right..?
Sorry I'm not use to SAE measures.
Josep,
Is there a part number on the pulley? It should be C2DE-6A312-A.
Don't worry about SAE vs Metric, I play with Volkswagens as well and carry around two different sets of tools, SAE and Metric, in THREE different tool boxes. It makes life "fun".
Jim
I promise to be politically correct in all my posts to keep the BBBB from vociferating.

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 02:07:30 AM »
Hi Jim,

I can't see any part number in the front, maybe at the back.. It's a 2 groove pulley.
Yes, I also have a small set of SAE tools here to play with my Mustang, but sometimes measures are a mess.!!

Josep
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 05:42:11 AM »
My documentation says 5 55/64th inches, which is closer to 5 7/8ths.  My documentation could be wrong, though.

Thanks man.! Well, I don't know, see what I measured. As I said before, measuring in inches is not easy here as we are not use to.

Josep
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline 67gtasanjose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5091
  • "Take the MUSTANG PLEDGE"
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 06:21:40 AM »
Thanks man.! Well, I don't know, see what I measured. As I said before, measuring in inches is not easy here as we are not use to.

Josep

Hope this helps: http://m.wikihow.com/Read-a-Measuring-Tape
another GOOGLE search or "Read a Tape Measure" converted to your own language first may be even more helpful.

Your image's red arrow is pointing at about 5-7/8 inches (5-7/8").  Your tape measure's smallest marked intervals are in 1/32's of an inch. (1/32")

Common "inch" marks on most measuring instruments, descending from 1 inch with "inch" being the largest:
~inch (1")
~1/2 inch (1/2")
~1/4 inch (1/4")
~1/8 inch (1/8")
~1/16 inch (1/16")
~1/32 inch (1/32")
~1/64 inch (1/64")

THEN, the harder part, using what is called the lowest common denominator. That is why the numbering order looks so strange.
Using YOUR 1/32" increment tape measure for reading all 32 marks on it...(much the same as "sae" socket/wrench set)

1/32", 1/16", 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16", 7/32", 5/16", 1/4", 9/32", 5/16", 1/32", 3/8", 13/32", 7/16", 15/32", 1/2", 17/32", 9/16", 19/32", 5/8", 21/32", 11/16", 23/32", 3/4", 25/32", 13/16", 27/32", 7/8", 29/32", 15/16", 31/32", 1-inch

Then for numbers OVER 1 inch, it begins like... 1-1/32", 1-1/16", 1-3/32" and so on up to the TWO inch mark. (Josep, still using YOUR tape measure as a sample)

Yes, fractions are STRANGE, even to us Americans...but the pattern makes good sense.

(we will not step into the "64th's of an inch" waters ;) NOR will we get into measuring in FEET at this time...OR MILES!  :o ;D






Hi Jim,

I can't see any part number in the front, maybe at the back.. It's a 2 groove pulley.
Yes, I also have a small set of SAE tools here to play with my Mustang, but sometimes measures are a mess.!!

Josep

It has been a while since I worked on a 200 Mustang crankshaft pulley so this comment may not apply to your 66 200CID I6, Thermactor need, but you say you need a "two groove pulley". Looking at the picture you posted and looking at the illustration I have for the 1967, 200 inline 6 cylinder "Thermactor only" engine, it looks to me like there would be a single groove base pulley with a 2nd pulley added (bolted with the three bolts) to the face of the harmonic balancer pulley. ( see attached pictures below of the 1967 version, pay particular attention to items #10 & #11 and bolt(s) #14). My interpretation of the illustration is that there were two different crankshaft pulleys and one possible outer pulley (again, on the 67's). The "ALT" note on the inner pulley suggests to me there may have been an optional INNER pulley, possibly a double pulley for a higher amperage ALTERNATOR, suggesting to me the outer pulley is for the Thermactor on a car without AC or Power Steering.

I imagine it would be best to use original I6, 1966 examples with ONLY a Thermactor system as those would help to determine the accuracy of my interpretation.

FWIW, I recall many 60's to 70's era vehicles used a single groove harmonic balancer and used a sort of "add a pulley" system design which bolted to the front of the "stock" single-groove or at times a multi-grooved harmonic balancer pulley. More often, but not exclusively, this was for the likes of Dealer Additions or the aftermarket world (air conditioning and/or Power Steering), so again, without further researching your specific application, this may not apply to your particular need.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 08:57:40 AM by 67gtasanjose »
Richard Urch

1967 (11/2/66, S.J.) GTA Luxury Coupe, 289-4V w/Thermactor Emissions, C-4, Int./Ext. Decor +many options

2005 (04/05) GT Premium Convertible, Windveil Blue, Parchment Top w/Med. Parchment interior,  Roush Body Appointments

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 11:27:12 AM »
Hope this helps: http://m.wikihow.com/Read-a-Measuring-Tape
another GOOGLE search or "Read a Tape Measure" converted to your own language first may be even more helpful.

Your image's red arrow is pointing at about 5-7/8 inches (5-7/8").  Your tape measure's smallest marked intervals are in 1/32's of an inch. (1/32")

Common "inch" marks on most measuring instruments, descending from 1 inch with "inch" being the largest:
~inch (1")
~1/2 inch (1/2")
~1/4 inch (1/4")
~1/8 inch (1/8")
~1/16 inch (1/16")
~1/32 inch (1/32")
~1/64 inch (1/64")

THEN, the harder part, using what is called the lowest common denominator. That is why the numbering order looks so strange.
Using YOUR 1/32" increment tape measure for reading all 32 marks on it...(much the same as "sae" socket/wrench set)

1/32", 1/16", 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16", 7/32", 5/16", 1/4", 9/32", 5/16", 1/32", 3/8", 13/32", 7/16", 15/32", 1/2", 17/32", 9/16", 19/32", 5/8", 21/32", 11/16", 23/32", 3/4", 25/32", 13/16", 27/32", 7/8", 29/32", 15/16", 31/32", 1-inch

Then for numbers OVER 1 inch, it begins like... 1-1/32", 1-1/16", 1-3/32" and so on up to the TWO inch mark. (Josep, still using YOUR tape measure as a sample)

Yes, fractions are STRANGE, even to us Americans...but the pattern makes good sense.

(we will not step into the "64th's of an inch" waters ;) NOR will we get into measuring in FEET at this time...OR MILES!  :o ;D

Thanks very much for the effort teaching me how to use the inch measurement.!! I will try hard to understand and will do my home work.!!
Appreciate all the examples.!!

Josep





It has been a while since I worked on a 200 Mustang crankshaft pulley so this comment may not apply to your 66 200CID I6, Thermactor need, but you say you need a "two groove pulley". Looking at the picture you posted and looking at the illustration I have for the 1967, 200 inline 6 cylinder "Thermactor only" engine, it looks to me like there would be a single groove base pulley with a 2nd pulley added (bolted with the three bolts) to the face of the harmonic balancer pulley. ( see attached pictures below of the 1967 version, pay particular attention to items #10 & #11 and bolt(s) #14). My interpretation of the illustration is that there were two different crankshaft pulleys and one possible outer pulley (again, on the 67's). The "ALT" note on the inner pulley suggests to me there may have been an optional INNER pulley, possibly a double pulley for a higher amperage ALTERNATOR, suggesting to me the outer pulley is for the Thermactor on a car without AC or Power Steering.

I imagine it would be best to use original I6, 1966 examples with ONLY a Thermactor system as those would help to determine the accuracy of my interpretation.

FWIW, I recall many 60's to 70's era vehicles used a single groove harmonic balancer and used a sort of "add a pulley" system design which bolted to the front of the "stock" single-groove or at times a multi-grooved harmonic balancer pulley. More often, but not exclusively, this was for the likes of Dealer Additions or the aftermarket world (air conditioning and/or Power Steering), so again, without further researching your specific application, this may not apply to your particular need.
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 11:32:52 AM »
Richard, you are probably right and it's not a two groove pulley but a single with an add one attached to the main.
No, I really don't need another, I just asked about the diameter measure, that I already have thanks to you and the other guys here in the forum.!! Thanks to all of you..!!
BTW, where do I have to check for the pulley's part number..? Nothing on the front. Can it be at the back, where it's impossible to see unless you remove the pulley..?

Thanks.!

Josep
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 01:33:50 PM by Josep »
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 06:19:25 PM »
And regarding smog system...  which color should be the bolts in air pump bracket, air pump support bracket, etc.. I'm completing the system so I'm in time to find the correct ones..

Josep
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36

Offline J_Speegle

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 12:05:09 AM »
And regarding smog system...  which color should be the bolts in air pump bracket, air pump support bracket, etc.. I'm completing the system so I'm in time to find the correct ones..

I believe the pump mount bolts were engine color, support brackets the castle style and the pump mounting long bolt as well as the adjuster were zinc. as was the adjuster washer
Jeff Speegle

Anything worth doing is worth doing concours ;)

Offline Josep

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 441
Re: Crankshaft pulley
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 01:49:21 AM »
Alright, take note of that, thanks Jeff.!

Josep
1966 Mustang Hardtop 200 Inline 6 - Arcadian Blue - C4 - Thermactor - 6R07T213966 - San Jose projected build date June 11th 1966 - DSO 71
1966 Mustang Convertible 289-2V - Vintage Burgundy - AT PS DB - 6F08C109403 - Dearborn projected build date September 9th 1965 - DSO 36