Topic: Early 67 289 Starter Details (ink stamp type)

[Bossbill]

Just when you thought it was safe to put that starter in your concours car ...

Although we are wandering a little off the topic of ink stamp type, this does pertain to 289 starters in the first half of the 67 model year.

So far I have identified the correct C3 starter nose.
The barrel should have no stamps.
I believe pic 1 is the correct shape of an early cover as it came off the C3 starter.
The rear cover band is the style that does not have a hole near the top cover cutout (pic 2).
The band nut is square and the screw is slotted.

And then on to the brush holder, pic 3.

Top left is an oval circled FoMoCo branded cover. A rebuilder changed the brush holders and insulators and used pop rivets. Note how few of the stamped in alignment tabs there are. This might be very early (guess).
Middle top is also an oval circled FoMoCO (very faint) that had two of the insulated holders changed out (4:00 o'clock).
Top right appears to be a FoMoCo version, although I can't find a stamp. The rivets appear to be original and look exactly like the rivets at the 10:00 o'clock position  of top middle holder.
Bottom is a badly made generic brush holder that has little in common with the top three.

I'm suspecting that the only correct style in this bunch is top right, due to cover design and the use of solid rivets. I suspect pop rivets are only used in re-manufactured starters and are easily spotted as incorrect (I believe).

Comments?

[krelboyne]

Always wondered where the mess up of applications of which starter number is correct for which application started. Ford or the aftermarket side. One of the most repeated question and issue it seems across the board for decades.   Sorry shouldn't get this off in a new direction

Didn't think that I was going in a new direction.
1968 numbers are repeats of 1967, but with explanations.
C7AF-11001-B is for 289/302 with automatic
C7AF-11001-D is for 289 with M/T
C7AF-11001-F is for 302 with M/T

[J_Speegle]

Didn't think that I was going in a new direction.

No - I was starting down that path

[Bossbill]

I took some pics of original starter stamps using the nut on the positive post as a guide  (9/16") and scaled it in my drawing program and came up with a 3" x 1" stamp.

Can anyone verify this size?

[J_Speegle]

I took some pics of original starter stamps using the nut on the positive post as a guide  (9/16") and scaled it in my drawing program and came up with a 3" x 1" stamp.

Can anyone verify this size?

Away for a day or so but could measure when I return home. Never found scaling to be very accurate for me. Eyeballing it (printing examples at steps of 1/32 or 16th and inch ) always worked better for me.

[Bossbill]

With the help of many here at the forum -- you know who you are -- I have finally completed the starter!

Here are the tools and paint I used:

*Custom rubber stamp
* Vintage Hunt Speedball - No.64 Brayer Soft Rubber 4" Roller 4126 PrintMaster
* Magazine page
* White paint of your choice

As Jeff has stated previously, a few drops on a magazine page (to give the paint some texture).
I rolled the paint flat with the soft rubber brayer spreading it thin.
Roll the paint that's on the brayer onto the stamp making sure all areas are covered.
Roll the stamp onto the starter barrel.

You need to practice to get the timing right between rolling the paint on the brayer and rolling it onto the part. I tried not to line up the stamp with the starter perfectly as that would look odd. These things were pumped out by the thousands, so neatness is not a virtue.

Please note that acrylic is great since you you can water wash it off with a rag if you goof.
But it's not real hardy (like the original) and if you use this paint type you might want to opt for some "Dead Flat" or "Satin" clear over the top.
Because of the discussions to be had with paint properties, etc I'll remove the paint I used and leave that to you.

[edit: s/tired/tried/]

[ruppstang]

Nice work!

[Bossbill]

Nice work!

Thanks. You guys set some really high standards here.
There are some ridiculous hours into this thing.

[J_Speegle]

Thanks. You guys set some really high standards here.

And now they are your standards also.  Would have been so much easier to just slap on a Chinese or other starter from some online parts site, corner parts house or Ebay but you would not be so proud of the outcome and the accomplishment. Because of the commitment and involvement you are now part of the car not just an owner with a credit car.

Looks good. Now on to the next challenge 

[Bob Gaines]

That looks great but I think the round cover was only used through 65 maybe early 66 . Sorry I didn't see it before but after reviewing the thread saw where you had posted it previously. Those round covers are very hard to find. The ribbed type is much more common.

[Bossbill]

Parts of this starter came from an early starter -- big Ford I think.

I have two of the round nose covers in case anyone is interested (hint, hint). One from this starter and another not quite so nice.

From this thread I believe this bulbous cover was mentioned:
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=18166.0

I have this cover, which might be more appropriate (see pics).

[J_Speegle]

[Bossbill]

Thanks, Jeff.

I have a lot of different covers. Just not that one. Close, but ...
Off to the Monroe swap meet this Saturday!

[Bossbill]

I've been conversing with another user offline about his starter.

That lead me to look again at two detail items about early (65-68) starters. I included 68 since they appear to have the nose cone and other details in common with earlier starter, but differ in the barrel encoding and drive cover.

After viewing the starter,  that appears original, from my 65 A-code it appears I've made a few assumptions that may or may not be true. See first two pics of this filthy beast.

First, the long bolts that go through the bush holder to the nose cone.
My 65 has flat, no name or physical marking bolts with built-in washers/shoulders.
Later bolts have the inverted cone or look like the ends have been drilled.
The early Ford starter (somewhere in the 62-65 time frame) I used as the basis for a lot of parts in my 67 starter have the drill style bolts.
Any old stock starters out there that validate a date change or perhaps this is simply a different vendor? Maybe the drilled bolts are rebuilder-only bolts and I have this wrong?

Second, the brush holder. Both examples shown here are FoMoCo/oval circle holders. Never mind the rebuilder pop rivets in these examples. My 65 version, top, has only 6 tabs for holding the brush holder securely centered in the barrel. The other example shows 8.
Any old stock starters out there that validate a date change or perhaps this is simply a different vendor?

[67gtasanjose]

I bought a core to build mine, no idea what it came from but it does have the "drilled" style bolts. The brushes cover has original style rivets and block letter FoMoCo logo.