Topic: Exhaust tips 1967 GT...original factory or not?

[Ralf]

Hi,
Could anybody let me know if below double tips are original factory or not? What would be the value, if original?
Thx

[preaction]

The top pic seems to have a Ford logo and engineering number.

[Ralf]

Yes, both have them.
However, I learned not all parts stamped are necessarily originals.

[preaction]

Ralf, can you post a pic of the outlet end of the exhaust tip. As if looking from the back of the car.

[Ralf]

Yes, certainly......rounded edges.

[Bob Gaines]

They would be good for a driver car or survivor car (disregarding the blasted and painted pipe section) but far from show quality based on the pictures.

[Ralf]

Hm....far from show quality? Could you pls detail this?
What about than to re-chrome them totally? Than closer to concours? Obviously, these are originals.

[Bob Gaines]

Hm....far from show quality? Could you pls detail this?
What about than to re-chrome them totally? Than closer to concours? Obviously, these are originals.

The chrome is poor and the steel tube portion badly pitted. it would be difficult if not impossible by conventional methods to rechrome the tip as one piece and have it look correct . The original look was a chrome tip with a distinct blueish weld bead to a smooth steel formed exhaust pipe. If you rechromed it the tip would look nicer but you would still have the pitted pipe section plus that section would now be covered in chrome and of course you would be obliterate the look of the weld bead too. With that much effort you might as well pay a lot of money for  NOS original tip rather then have the same amount plus time and effort in a lesser quality rechromed tip that does not look completely like original. 

[Ralf]

Ok, understood.
The main question to me, if I decide to take some bucks for re-chroming....are these parts original?

[Bob Gaines]

Ok, understood.
The main question to me, if I decide to take some bucks for re-chroming....are these parts original?

They are original but even with re chroming they would not be show quality. Again great for a driver or a survivor car (without rechroming on survivor)but not good enough even with rechroming for a concours show in MCA trailered or thoroughbred concours classes. I am sure there are other venues that have different standards where they would be acceptable but not at the ones I am familiar with here in the US. I Only mention this because I thought that you were trying to present your car restored to as new condition. If not then disregard. To better clarify, some times if using low quality original parts you may not lose on authenticity but will lose on condition compared to a well made reproduction part. The end game in concours is to have the car appear as new Ford assemblyline. It also depends on the class a car is entered in concours. Some people don't enter their car in concours but build it to established standards. Not mandatory because at the end of the day it is your car and you can do with it as you want.  At one time I thought there was a low grade version and a excellent repro tip. Others will know better . I hope this helps with what ever you decide to do.   

[ruppstang]

Ralf if you could read the part number I think you will find that it starts with a C9. Those 69 tips are chrome, the 67-68 tips are stainless steel welded as those are to the plain steel feeder pipe. I can post picture of a 67 NOS one I a few days if you like.
Marty

[Ralf]

Yes, would be great.

Do you sell them as well ?

Ralf

[specialed]

The 67 stainless pipe OE tip said fomoco  in oval & c7za the later steel pipe said ford in oval & c9za  same pipe just different metal finish.

[Ralf]

To summarize:
The pictured tips are from 69, oval and chromed? Tubes are normally chromed as well?
67 tips are oval, but stainless steel? Tubes are normally stainless as well?
What happened with the pipes on the tips pictured?. They have been sand blasted and painted, Bob says. Why that?
Bob said also:
The original look was a chrome tip with a distinct blueish weld bead to a smooth steel formed exhaust pipe
And honestly I dont not know what does that mean: "distinct blueish weld bead to a smooth steel formed exhaust pipe"? Means going from stainless steel tips to steel (polished) pipe?
Couldn't find a translation for that specific explanation

I'm a bit lost....

1967 completely stainless, or completely chrome? And how does the tubes look like?

Would be great if smb has some original pictures.

[ruppstang]

Ralf What you need is a C7 number, the single pipe is plain steel up to the welds that are blue-black the two tips are stainless steel with rolled tips. I can not get a picture of the NOS one till Saturday. No I do not have any for sale.
Marty