Topic: 67 San Jose Power brake booster finish

[Bob Gaines]

If memory serves me there was also a vacuum check valve recall that replaced the black valve with a white one? Correct me if I'm wrong.

                                                                                                                        -Keith

If you found one white unpainted then it could have been on a early car that came in and got serviced and got a recall or upgrade. The replacement check valve in this case would be white unpainted because it was installed after the fact. The assemblyline units were typically painted black as a assembly. The upgraded check valve was identified on later assemblyline units with a red paint daub (still painted black because the new and improved check valve was added at the MFG) on the check valve and sometimes on the check valve and the booster both.

[1967 eight barrel]

Bob,
The booster in mine was white with a red daub of paint. I did find an NOS valve, which was also the same in the package.

                                                                                                -Keith

[J_Speegle]

The booster in mine was white with a red daub of paint. I did find an NOS valve, which was also the same in the package.

Given when your car was built the valve suggests that it was fixed/up dated during the first and/or second of the recalls

There has been allot of NOS ones found since Ford had to make sure the dealers had plenty of them (kind of like the Caution Fan decals) on hand to address the cars that needed the fix

[WT8095]

Just out of curiosity (and straying off topic, sorry): how are recall items, especially safety-related ones, typically handling during judging? One would think that safety-related, official recall items shouldn't be a deduction, at least for driven cars.

[Bob Gaines]

Just out of curiosity (and straying off topic, sorry): how are recall items, especially safety-related ones, typically handling during judging? One would think that safety-related, official recall items shouldn't be a deduction, at least for driven cars.

Well in the case of the 67 check valve , it needed a paint marking to be even identified . If the marking is not there (very early 67 production)then there is no visible way to determine if the improved check valve or not as long as it is painted with the unit and no paint marking. Other things are harder to disguise but there are other methods to justify a recall such as showing that the car could have been still at the dealer when the TSB came out.Not meant to be a answer for everything but it covers a few.

[J_Speegle]

Just out of curiosity (and straying off topic, sorry): how are recall items, especially safety-related ones, typically handling during judging? One would think that safety-related, official recall items shouldn't be a deduction, at least for driven cars.

Can depend on the organization from my experience and consider that we (as judges) normally don't know when a car was sold to the first buyer so for example, Car A could have been built before the recall or campaign was issued but was not sold before the fix was distributed so Car A could have been delivered to the first customer (right off the show room floor) with the change or it could be like Car B that was sold before the fix and the owner never had the fix done to the car. For these reasons, currently, I don't believe either would get a deduction related to the fix. One of those benefit of the doubt issues IMHO.

But I would suggest/couch the owner to either broach the subject during the judging team introduction or at least be prepared to show why you choose what you did.

In the case of the 67 Master cylinder an check valve, since paint marks are so popular, we tend to find allot more cars than there should be have the markings suggesting they were part of the campaign or part of the solution. Paint mark migration as I like to call it

[1967 eight barrel]

This may shed some light on the subject, but there was no Ford oval on booster housing, but an aluminum tag at the band bolt.
Now the stupidity on my part: I had the booster rebuilt and when they returned my booster, no tag remained...
Early 90's. Blame it on lack of information in the day I guess.

                                                                                            -Keith

[Bob Gaines]

This may shed some light on the subject, but there was no Ford oval on booster housing, but an aluminum tag at the band bolt.
Now the stupidity on my part: I had the booster rebuilt and when they return my booster, no tag remained...
Early 90's. Blame it on lack of information in the day I guess.

                                                                                            -Keith

The booster with the FORD in the oval is a confirmed service item not assemblyline. Given my previous description of how the aluminum tag was mounted and painted . I would put on a equivalent size and thickness of aluminum material bend it over and paint it with the unit or add and paint it on the car for a accurate historic look . No one but you will be the wiser  .

[1967 eight barrel]

Bob, now that is a simple fix to a potentially difficult issue. Thanks.

[J_Speegle]

Found a picture of a Midland booster tag in my review of some pictures today. Thought I would share

[1967 eight barrel]

What? There was writing on the tag? Not mine. The installer couldn't write that small.. I have the supporting evidence..

[67gtasanjose]

Found a picture of a Midland booster tag in my review of some pictures today. Thought I would share

The tag material, size & shape, resembles very closely, a shortened engine id tag

[Bob Gaines]

The tag material, size & shape, resembles very closely, a shortened engine id tag

The material is a much thinner aluminum then a engine tag by almost a half. It is easily bent.

[196667Bob]

Just returned a few days ago from our Southern Colorado home where my '67 "resides". Made it a point to check  both my original and NOS "Campaign" (Red paint dabs)              Boosters. The original has no Ford script, and no aluminum tag, nor evidence of having had one. On the NOS one, as I had mentioned in a previous Reply, it does have the Ford Oval with script and the Aluminum tag. I was able to measure it and read and photograph the stampings (indented) in the tag. It is Aluminum, painted black, with a thickness of 0.017", is 0.6" wide, and 1.8" long. The ends of the tag are rounded as shown in the pictures. On the upper portion of the tag is stamped "C7AA-2005-B", and on the lower portion, "C-4262-C".

Hope this helps.

Bob

[Bob Gaines]

Just returned a few days ago from our Southern Colorado home where my '67 "resides". Made it a point to check  both my original and NOS "Campaign" (Red paint dabs)              Boosters. The original has no Ford script, and no aluminum tag, nor evidence of having had one. On the NOS one, as I had mentioned in a previous Reply, it does have the Ford Oval with script and the Aluminum tag. I was able to measure it and read and photograph the stampings (indented) in the tag. It is Aluminum, painted black, with a thickness of 0.017", is 0.6" wide, and 1.8" long. The ends of the tag are rounded as shown in the pictures. On the upper portion of the tag is stamped "C7AA-2005-B", and on the lower portion, "C-4262-C".

Hope this helps.

Bob

You may just be reporting what you found but open ended statements like yours seem to imply to others looking for information to infer that a original booster may not necessarily come with a tag. Originals typically had the tags from the factory. It could have been a vendor mistake and the tag was left off before being delivered to the assembly plant for installation or the the tag was left off during a previous rebuild. Which is more likely? Which is typical? Which requires explanation and which dose not?