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67 390 shop manual part numbers
« on: November 19, 2015, 12:56:48 AM »
Would the shop manual be an  accurate source for part numbers for a distributor or a carb as they are listed there.
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 02:12:23 AM »
Would the shop manual be an  accurate source for part numbers for a distributor or a carb as they are listed there.

Could include mistakes or not include parts released during the production year or reflect changes. Might want to check the printing date of the individual copy you have access to.

Not sure a blanket statement would be wise in this situation.

Might be easier to just ask (providing all the needed info) for specific needs to be sure you get the right numbers
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 10:04:35 AM »
+1
1966 Coupe, C Code, 3 Sp MT, 6T07C154XXX, Build Date 11/22/65
1967 Conv, C Code, C4, 7F03C154XXX, Actual Build Date 01/31/67
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 11:28:35 AM »
Thanks I will post today.
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 12:22:37 PM »
Could include mistakes or not include parts released during the production year or reflect changes. Might want to check the printing date of the individual copy you have access to.

Not sure a blanket statement would be wise in this situation.

Might be easier to just ask (providing all the needed info) for specific needs to be sure you get the right numbers
And if and when you do get contrary information than what is listed in the shop manual, mark that information in your own shop manual. That technique is vastly superior to doing nothing.
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2015, 11:07:26 PM »
Im working with a December 17 1966 build 390GT 4 speed Dearborn car and I need  to identify the correct; Distributor, carburetor, and intake manifold.
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Re: shop manual part numbers - Intake, Carb and Distributor
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2015, 07:12:09 PM »
preaction : In an attempt to help you with Part Numbers for the Intake Manifold, Carburetor and Distributor for your December, 1966 built, GT with 390, I have used my 1967 Master Parts Catalog, 1960-68 Master Parts Catalog, and a listing of Ford Casting Numbers that I obtained in the late 1990’s.

First, a couple items of General Information :

1) When I note “Part Number”, it is the Ford Service Part Number (what you
    would ask for at the Parts Counter), as opposed to the Assembly Line or
    Engineering Part Number.

2)  When Casting Number is noted, this also includes stamping number (in the
     case of the Distributor, and sometimes the carburetor base).

3)  Tag Number refers to the number stamped on the aluminum tag held onto the
     top of the Carburetor by one of the Carburetor’s top cover screws.
   
4)  On the Carburetor and Distributor, it does make a difference if Automatic or
     Manual Transmission, and if with or without Thermactor Emission. For this
     reason, I have included all scenarios in case others need this same information
     but do not have the same configuration as you.
   
5)   For some reason (accidental omission, undecided, or ?), the 1967 MPC (Dated
      January, 1967) has no listing for a Carburetor for a 390 in a Mustang (yet it
      does list the Intake Manifold). 

The above being said, here is what I’ve found :

INTAKE MANIFOLD

P/N  - C6AZ-9424-K (11/01/66 to 09/11/67)
C/N – C7AE-9425-E with a large “S” to its left.

CARBURETOR

MT, w/TE – P/N - C70Z-9510-N ; Tag C70F-C

MT, w/o TE – P/N - C70Z-9510-L ; Tag C70F-A

AT, w/TE – P/N - C70Z-9510-P ; Tag C70F-D

AT, w/o TE – P/N – C70Z-9510-M ; Tag C70F-B


DISTRIBUTOR

MT, w/TE – P/N – C70Z-12127-F
             C/N – C70F-12127-C

MT, w/o TE – P/N – C70Z-12127-H
          C/N – C70F-12127-H

AT, w/TE – P/N – C70Z-12127-F (same as w/MT)
              C/N – C70F-12127- F or G

AT, w/o TE – P/N – C7AZ-12127-U
               C/N – C7AF-12127-U or V

All Part Numbers for the Intake Manifold and Distributor were confirmed in both the 1967 MPC and 1960-68 MPC.

Carburetor Part Numbers were confirmed with the 1960-68 MPC and the Listing of Tag (Casting) Numbers.

Casting Numbers for Intake Manifold only from Listing of Casting Numbers.

The 1965-72 MPC was not used as by its printing (1975), many original Part Numbers had been Superceded or Replaced by newer Part Numbers.

All numbers have been confirmed by at least 2 of the 3 sources noted except for the Casting Number for the Intake Manifold, which I only found in my Listing of Casting Numbers.

I have tried to avoid mistakes in copying numbers in assembling the above Summary by going back to double check each item listed after creating the Summary noted above. However, it is still possible that I may have made a mistake. Thus, additional information, along with its documentation should be looked at and confirmed.

Hope this helps.

Bob
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2015, 08:01:29 PM »
Bob, thank you for your effort in looking these parts up. I hope to someday to have a MPC of such an early date and until then I appreciate the help you and this site provides. Also this is a thermactor application.
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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2015, 09:32:11 PM »
The December '67 revision of the MPC (change 30) shows Mustang applications ("F") grouped with Fairlane ("B"). The data matches what Bob posted.

My apologies for cutting off the top entry slightly.  ::)
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Re: shop manual part numbers - Intake, Carb and Distributor
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 09:40:25 PM »
When I note “Part Number”, it is the Ford Service Part Number (what you would ask for at the Parts Counter), as opposed to the Assembly Line or Engineering Part Number.
When the dealership orders a replacement part for a customer or their inventory, they go to their Ford Distribution Center. At that Center, there is a document with that Ford Service Part Number and 99 times out of 100, it makes reference to the Assembly Line or Engineering Part Number to make more.
The Assembly Line or Engineering Part Number is also the procurement part number used to get parts for the assembly line.
When Casting Number is noted, this also includes stamping number (in the case of the Distributor, and sometimes the carburetor base).
They are not always the same. The distributor casting number is for the housing, and it is usually raised letters and numbers. The actual final usable distributor part number is indented numbers.
Remember, in the Ford part number system, a "Z" in the fourth position (C6AZ-, C7OZ-, C8ZZ-, etc) is a service part number, sometimes called NOS.
Jim

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Re: shop manual part numbers
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2015, 09:56:04 PM »
With the carb identified my first thought would be about a carb spacer for a 4 speed application, I have a 67 390 GT automatic and for 67 there is a bake lite type spacer with the outlet for the transmission vacuum provided at the rear of the spacer would the manual trans application be no spacer and just a gasket for the carb ?  Its interesting that the carb and the distributor numbers are both C7OF-C less their group part numbers.
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Re: 67 390 shop manual part numbers
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2015, 04:16:39 AM »
I believe you are confusing the purpose of the nipple located on the rear of the carb spacer. This is for the hose that goes from the spacer to the PCV valve. Typically, the vacuum for the Automatic Transmissions comes from a brass fitting that is screwed into a threaded hole in the Intake Manifold.

That being said, the 1967, 1960-68 and 1965-72 MPC's all show that the carb spacer for Passenger Cars, Fairlanes and Mustangs with the 390 - 4V carburetor is Part Number C6AZ-9A589-B. There is no differentiation for either type of transmission or with, or without Thermactor Emission.
According to my Casting Number Listing, this should be marked C6AE-9A589-B.

Hope his helps.

Bob
1966 Coupe, C Code, 3 Sp MT, 6T07C154XXX, Build Date 11/22/65
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Re: 67 390 shop manual part numbers
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2015, 12:10:15 PM »
Thanks Bob. If you look at the 67 chassis assembly manual - 67 mustang + cougar 390 engine max vacuum options page 8- it clearly shows the vacuum line for the trans coming from under the carb. the spacer is IIRC 3/8'' thick and maybe made of bakelite ?  I have a 67 cougar that uses that setup, tilt, a/c, automatic trans, thermactor and of course vacuum head lights. In my common sense approach to things I would have thought a spacer without a nipple or no spacer would have been used if only to avoid a potential vacuum leak. All of the above is I realize  not typical but these two cars are my only experience with making a car concours correct.  Bob is a casting number listing a part of the MPC ?
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Re: 67 390 shop manual part numbers
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2015, 12:39:13 PM »
Photos of an NOS C6AZ-B spacer. That port looks way too small for a PCV connection.
Dave Z.

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Re: 67 390 shop manual part numbers
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2015, 12:56:35 PM »
One more tidbit from the December '67 revision of the MPC. While the C6AZ-B spacer is listed for all '67 390-4V applications, at the bottom of section 9A589 there are a couple of caps listed, to be used when the vacuum port is not needed.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2015, 01:00:22 PM by WT8095 »
Dave Z.

'68 fastback, S-code + C6. Special Paint (Rainbow promotion), DSO 710784. Actual build date 2/7/1968, San Jose.
'69 Cougar convertible, 351W-2V + FMX, Meadowlark Yellow.