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Offline livetoride60

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Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« on: September 21, 2015, 07:49:20 PM »
Did some clean up the C4ZA-3355-A idler arm off my Oct 9, 1964 build date SJ K-code fastback.  After coming out of the parts cleaner, could see what looked like reddish paint remnants.  Soaked some in evaporust.  Pics with arrows pointing out reddish remnants.

Ever seen this color paint stripe for this car / plant / era?  I have read about brown stripes on manual steering idler arms.

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Rich
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2015, 08:47:58 PM »
My notes say "pink".
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »
Thanks Jim.  It is kind of a rose color, and not much left.  I had pink on my drag link and spindles.
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 05:12:44 PM »
I have C5ZZ-A's with a reddish brown mark on them

While were on this part the mounting post normally has one or two forest green stripes horizontal across the mounting section (near the bolt holes)
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 07:46:03 PM »
Reddish brown more matches the small bit I'm seeing on the idler arm. 

Idler arm bracket had a green stripe.  Before and after:
'65 K code Fastback, 4sp, San Jose, 10/9/64
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2015, 01:34:35 AM »
What color markings would be on the same components for a power steering equipped car, same time period and plant?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2015, 09:49:45 AM by ChrisV289 »
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2015, 12:28:38 PM »
What color markings would be on the same components for a power steering equipped car, same time period and plant?

Usually see light blue on p/s idler arms.
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2015, 10:40:33 PM »
Also seen white with black on the idler arm - arm :)  (May 65 V8 var)

Likely its a production period thing.
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Idler arm marking - power steering May 65 SJ V-8
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2015, 08:53:09 AM »
Same question for May 65 SJ V-8 power steering car.  Found 1 green stripe on the mounting post.  Found light blue marks on the bottom of the idler arm, both ends of the tie rods, and on the power cylinder. The long center (steering rod to idler arm) rod has two obvious marks.  They actually could almost be described as stripes since they go at least 3/4 of the way around the rod.  Both are located in the middle area between the bolt holes that are 13" apart.  The one toward the control valve is light blue.  The one toward the other end of the rod is very faint but is pink.

Anything I might have missed?

The spindles are a mystery.  I found yellow markings but I don't think they are original to the car.  Any thoughts on what I should see on the spindles?  Thank you.
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Re: Idler arm marking - power steering May 65 SJ V-8
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2015, 11:44:28 AM »
The spindles are a mystery.  I found yellow markings but I don't think they are original to the car.  Any thoughts on what I should see on the spindles?  Thank you.

Would be best to split that off into a separate post.  Yellow/pink or combination of both are quite common for spindles.
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Re: Idler arm marking - power steering May 65 SJ V-8
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 02:40:28 PM »
Would be best to split that off into a separate post. 

+1 Agree its best to start a new thread.

Consider including the casting numbers from the spindles as well as the application (when  and where the car was assembled) or the discussion

After the early cars it appears that the pattern is allot easier to follow - though  top and bottom are difficult to find/see after all these years.
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2015, 11:10:55 PM »
So I'm guessing these flat surfaces should be left machined, i.e. no bluing?

'65 K code Fastback, 4sp, San Jose, 10/9/64
'66 C code Coupe, C4, Dearborn, 5/24/66
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2015, 06:29:10 PM »
So I'm guessing these flat surfaces should be left machined, i.e. no bluing?

Don't believe those are machined surfaces, may be wear or something else from years and age after looking at a fair number of nice originals - no difference in the surface area that shows anything but a cast surfaces







A couple of NOS ones just for fun




Now this one might have that thin line around the opening (still not machined though) yours has in the form.

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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 10:44:06 AM »
Found this example of an NOS manual steering idler arm.  The paint mark looks brownish red, as you described.  More towards the brown side even. 
'65 K code Fastback, 4sp, San Jose, 10/9/64
'66 C code Coupe, C4, Dearborn, 5/24/66
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Re: Idler arm marking - manual steering Oct 64 San Jose
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 11:27:22 AM »
Finished product.  Stripe is a little more towards brown than it looks under fluorescents in these pics, but still came out more red than NOS example above.  Feedback welcome.

Thanks for the help,
Rich

« Last Edit: November 19, 2015, 12:17:08 PM by livetoride60 »
'65 K code Fastback, 4sp, San Jose, 10/9/64
'66 C code Coupe, C4, Dearborn, 5/24/66
'67 Fairlane Convertible, 3sp, 200 I6