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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2020, 03:48:31 PM »
I think the reason I could see the color is that my car was owner or dealer undercoated. Although painful to remove it saved some features -- like the blue/green paint found when I removed the cable and the hardened uncoating fell off.
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2020, 06:34:58 PM »
It is my belief that most likely the paint would flake off the fitting given time and elements. Overwhelming examples I have seen and even NOS examples I have seen and had a thin application of marking paint/dye most likely meant to identify during assembly with no thought or reason to be concerned of it lasting on the car exposed to the environment. Let me be clear this is not just a 67 brake cable thing. Other year brake cables were identified in similar ways .The same is true for the similar conditions they were found in as they survived. Corrosion can help lift a already then surface coating  The thin application makes observations of others without as no surprise to me. I too have seen examples without any indication of paint and think that they were the ones that paint flaked off of. If any were assembled with non painted crimped fittings then it would appear to me that it was more the exception then the rule . Just my perception until more compelling evidence suggest otherwise.

I do recall this color on newer cars in the salvage yard (blue/teal color). I agree that it wasn't really a paint as much as a dye of sorts. It wasn't unique to only Fords as memory also serves seeing at the Dealership on new GM cars of the late 70s and early 80's too. No doubt a makers marking/dye.
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2020, 07:36:39 PM »
I sent Richard a PM of how I painted mine and decided to start again. Are we having fun yet?

I decided my paint was too thick and the details in it were disappearing.
My wife has an interesting Craft spray that emulates stained glass. I tried out the green and offer it up to see if I'm closer. I also have a blue spray ...
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2020, 01:12:11 AM »
I sent Richard a PM of how I painted mine and decided to start again. Are we having fun yet?

I decided my paint was too thick and the details in it were disappearing.
My wife has an interesting Craft spray that emulates stained glass. I tried out the green and offer it up to see if I'm closer. I also have a blue spray ...
No it was definitely more opaque.
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2020, 04:54:04 PM »
I decided my paint was too thick and the details in it were disappearing.
My wife has an interesting Craft spray that emulates stained glass. I tried out the green and offer it up to see if I'm closer. I also have a blue spray ...

Believe that has way too much clear in it. Doesn't appear to me on originals to be like a dye unless it had a fair amount of pigment,  but not a heavy paint either. Other years look more like paint but that may be due to the brighter colors used. 

Likely applied to all of the ends as used to identify ( for the worker at the suppliers plant) different sizes and styles for quick identification rather than identify the finished assembled cable aseembly
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2020, 05:33:02 PM »
No it was definitely more opaque.

Was the green applied to 68 cables as well. I did not see any residue of paint on my originals on that end of the cable, only the other end and there was a quite a bit still there to use as reference
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2020, 07:34:36 PM »
Was the green applied to 68 cables as well. I did not see any residue of paint on my originals on that end of the cable, only the other end and there was a quite a bit still there to use as reference


Not Bob :)

I have examples from 68's and no they are not the teal/blue color as found on the earlier (65-67) cars. Seems to match the 68-70 color - an orange
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2020, 07:41:20 PM »
I did a color match to what was on both of mine and it turned out to be a Royal Blue.
These are FoMoCo 'A' branded cables.

Every time I try and take a picture it turns out Teal Blue. Darker in person.
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2020, 10:23:22 PM »

Not Bob :)

I have examples from 68's and no they are not the teal/blue color as found on the earlier (65-67) cars. Seems to match the 68-70 color - an orange
+1 .68-70 typically orange .
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2020, 03:06:57 PM »
Forgot the pic.
I used fine-line tape to mask off the cable and only do the crimped on piece.
I'll put on scratch or roller marks after this gets really dry.
Color under my led lights is much brighter than when viewed under car.
Royal blue is actually quite dark.
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2020, 04:09:04 PM »

Not Bob :)

I have examples from 68's and no they are not the teal/blue color as found on the earlier (65-67) cars. Seems to match the 68-70 color - an orange

Thanks Jeff
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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2020, 04:10:33 PM »
+1 .68-70 typically orange .

Great thanks Bob. I take that should also be a fairly opaque color as well. Would it be glossy or flat? I don't have a reference photo as I have never seen the orange paint before.

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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2020, 05:56:50 PM »
Great thanks Bob. I take that should also be a fairly opaque color as well. Would it be glossy or flat? Doiea none have a reference photo as I have never seen the orange paint before.

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Haven't found it to be opaque but instead more of a regular paint. Paint marks IMHO are rarely if ever made with flat paint. More likely than not that is the affect of age and exposure.

Here are four (have more) examples, covering from 68-70, that do show wear and tear from age and use but you can make out the color though originally the coating would have covered more of the surface

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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2020, 08:13:37 PM »
Haven't found it to be opaque but instead more of a regular paint. Paint marks IMHO are rarely if ever made with flat paint. More likely than not that is the affect of age and exposure.

Here are four (have more) examples, covering from 68-70, that do show wear and tear from age and use but you can make out the color though originally the coating would have covered more of the surface


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Re: Rear brake cables
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2020, 09:53:24 PM »
The two original sets I have one from a March 68 San Jose 390 GT, and the other from an April 68 Dearborn CJ both have orange paint daubs on them.

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