Topic: Carpet Screws

[Richard P.]

I removed the carpet from a 1966 Mustang coupe today. The carpet didn't have any carpets screws nor were there any holes in the seat risers for the 4 screws. The Mustang was originally a six cylinder with 3 speed  manual transmission that has been converted to a V 8. The floor pans and seat riser are original and in great shape. This vehicle was  built at the Metuchen, NJ plant. Has anyone else come across this?

[CharlesTurner]

Yes, have seen several early cars without carpet screws. 

[Richard P.]

Thanks Charles

[J_Speegle]

Not normal or something Ford wanted to skip IMHO but something you see from time to time when a worker was not on their game - something seen more at some factories that others

OF course at shows, when we get a claim there were no holes we sometimes ask the owner to show us the outer surface just to confirm

[Building 3]

I have a 23,000 mile Metuchen convertible built in October 1965. I am the third owner. The car has not been restored, just maintained, so it has had maintenance, but it still has the original interior, paint and convertible top.  It has two screws.  One is centered on the seat riser at the front of the driver's seat, and the other in the same position on the passenger side. It certainly looks like the carpet has never been out of the car and the screws look original. There are no screws outboard of the seats and certainly this screw pattern is not consistent with the Osborn Manual.

[jwc66k]

There should only be two into the seat riser, and two more into the drive shaft tunnel. The two tunnel screws are eliminated with a console. A convertible has that additional body reinforcement on the outside and it may be more difficult to drive a screw and clear the area where the seat track goes.
Jim

[Richard P.]

I have a 23,000 mile Metuchen convertible built in October 1965. I am the third owner. The car has not been restored, just maintained, so it has had maintenance, but it still has the original interior, paint and convertible top.  It has two screws.  One is centered on the seat riser at the front of the driver's seat, and the other in the same position on the passenger side. It certainly looks like the carpet has never been out of the car and the screws look original. There are no screws outboard of the seats and certainly this screw pattern is not consistent with the Osborn Manual.

I'm a little curious. What is the publication date on the Jim Osborn manual?

[jwc66k]

The 66 page (T6-8320) is dated "7-6-65 Supersedes 6-16-65", which is before 66 production started. The change appears to be in reference to a piece of tape (Item 4, ESB-M3G32-A) that was removed. The coding for the change states "Effective With CZU1-PF-500589". I can see the decade "C", and Mustang "Z", and I assume the "U1" indicated Unit 1. The rest may be the number of the Engineering Change.
From the 65 Interior manual, the tape, 1.5 x 1.5, 4 pieces, covered the front seat belt holes when no belts were installed. The odd thing is tape is applied to the back of the carpet.
Jim

[Richard P.]

So the actual publication date of the Jim Osborne is 6-6-65. That's interesting.

[jwc66k]

So the actual publication date of the Jim Osborne is 6-6-65. That's interesting.

The page is dated - 7-6-65 - superseding a 6-16-65 date. That would be before actual assembly date in mid August.
Jim

[Richard P.]

I think that I found the answer that I was looking for in reference to actual publication date for the Jim Osborne Manuals. The internet says Jim Osborne REPRODUCTIONS Copyright 1996-2015. I'd guess that the license to publish occurred during that time. 

[jwc66k]

I think that I found the answer that I was looking for in reference to actual publication date for the Jim Osborne Manuals. The internet says Jim Osborne REPRODUCTIONS Copyright 1996-2015. I'd guess that the license to publish occurred during that time.

Just out of curiosity, why are you looking for that information?
Jim

[J_Speegle]

I think that I found the answer that I was looking for in reference to actual publication date for the Jim Osborne Manuals. The internet says Jim Osborne REPRODUCTIONS Copyright 1996-2015. I'd guess that the license to publish occurred during that time.

Believe Ford charges a annual fee for there usage that is why you'll see the range rather than the date it was originally published. Jim worked on the collection of all the assembly manuals he could get his hands on (most damaged and very moldy and musty) from those he choose the best pages which in turn became what we see today. Many of the pages did not come from the same source but the pages are from through out the production year. As mentioned we have no idea of what Ford directed the plants to do the day before or the day after (if there was any changes) each individual page was published by Ford in the day.

Remember Jim fondly and the pile of manuals in one of the storage closets gave off a really nasty smell 

[Richard P.]

Jeff I also knew Jim well. I think that his wife Sue is still involved with the printing. We must remember that publications that are printed 10,15, and 20 years later sometimes change from what the single year master parts catalog indicates.

[jwc66k]

We must remember that publications that are printed 10,15, and 20 years later sometimes change from what the single year master parts catalog indicates.

Would you care to clarify that statement. I think you mean a factory assembly line document created/changed in 1965 (specifically) is not the same as the service documents used decades later.
Jim