Topic: 1970 CJ starter cable routing

[Mike_B_SVT]

Does anyone have a picture of the starter cable mounted to the side of the block on a '70 CJ car?
Does anyone know what size and finish bolt(s) would have been used?

Past research indicates that there were two clips bolted to the side of the block itself.  http://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg146069#msg146069

My car only had one clip, no longer bolted to the engine.  I presume that the two clips would bolt to the block at the two holes circled in red in the pic below. 




I Pulled my cable off the other night and it looks pretty gunky, but about the same as one that Jeff posted a pic of - which also appears to show only one cable clip.




Jeff's post:

On this car the engine was out and apart when I got access to it so no pictures from when the starter cable was still routed on/near the engine

When I saw this car that first time the cable was still attached to the solenoid and to the starter which was sitting on the strut rod support

[J_Speegle]

My car only had one clip, no longer bolted to the engine.  I presume that the two clips would bolt to the block at the two holes circled in red in the pic below. 

Never seen those holes used for retaining the starter cable. Always found them on the motor mount

[rayms69]

i have to starter cable clamps on motor mount, i believe, i will take a pic tomorrow,

[Bob Gaines]

Does anyone have a picture of the starter cable mounted to the side of the block on a '70 CJ car?
Does anyone know what size and finish bolt(s) would have been used?

Past research indicates that there were two clips bolted to the side of the block itself.  http://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg146069#msg146069

My car only had one clip, no longer bolted to the engine.  I presume that the two clips would bolt to the block at the two holes circled in red in the pic below. 




I Pulled my cable off the other night and it looks pretty gunky, but about the same as one that Jeff posted a pic of - which also appears to show only one cable clip.




Jeff's post:

I believe those holes were used with the shorter clip on 70 CJ . It hangs down and corresponds with notches in the 70 windage tray. 69 windage tray does not have notches.  A little grouchy grumbly Indiana bird told me 

[specialed]

jeff what is tag on your cable read doof or dozf.   the 70 cable routing may have something to do with when & which plant used them . I had a late 70 Dearborn mach 1 & strap was on block panrail hole

[Mike_B_SVT]

I've seen the pics of the '69 style cable mounting, with one or two clamps on the motor mounts.  My cable clip looks nothing like those though - it looks just like the one that Jeff has in his pic.

The little paper tag on mine says Auto lite TSX D0ZF 14431C.  I looked for any markings on the cable itself, but couldn't find any.  The lugs on the ends have "CANADA" in small raised letters though.  Comparing the lugs to the repro cable, the repro lugs are slightly smaller, and the repro cable is about 4" shorter.  No idea if it is an original cable or not, but it has definitely seen better days, LOL!

[rayms69]

i saw this way in a pic somewhere, either 428cobrajet.org on this forum. deadnutson.com had a pic too. i will look through my pics, i download everything that will help me to get this car to almost stock.

[specialed]

look at raymes pic & note the bolt in block & how the windage tray is notched out just below bolt.  from what I seen on 70 (later cj anyway) the J strap hole uses that bolt & hook of J strap points down in notched windage tray area & cable runs along oil pan.   the marti cable is too short  & 69 is different than 70 & j hooks are shorter with rounded corners  & 2 versions doof & dozf.   the cables that had ID tags never had writing on cables & the cables that had writing ID printed on cables never had tags &  its a vendor thing just like the electrical wireing ID #s.

[Mike_B_SVT]

look at raymes pic & note the bolt in block & how the windage tray is notched out just below bolt.  from what I seen on 70 (later cj anyway) the J strap hole uses that bolt & hook of J strap points down in notched windage tray area & cable runs along oil pan.   the marti cable is too short  & 69 is different than 70 & j hooks are shorter with rounded corners  & 2 versions doof & dozf.   the cables that had ID tags never had writing on cables & the cables that had writing ID printed on cables never had tags &  its a vendor thing just like the electrical wireing ID #s.

Awesome info, thanks Ed and Ray!

Hmm... if my cable is too short, then I guess I'm kinda stuck with connecting it to the motor mount again for now.
I'll need to track down one or two of those bolts for the block as well.

[J_Speegle]

jeff what is tag on your cable read doof or dozf.   the 70 cable routing may have something to do with when & which plant used them . I had a late 70 Dearborn mach 1 & strap was on block panrail hole

Just to make things clear
So you've seen those holes used for a very late 70 CJ example?  Never seen that but  keep my eyes open for it. On the 70 Dearborn posted in my example those holes do not appear to have been used for any purposes - but it was an earlier car (Oct/Nov 69 build).

In response to an earlier question - markings on the cable from my pictures is not legible

[specialed]

you can see both bolts screwed back into block above panrail for starter j straps in raymes pic.   the 2  bolts are negative cable to block ground bolts

[Mike_B_SVT]

you can see both bolts screwed back into block above panrail for starter j straps in raymes pic.   the 2  bolts are negative cable to block ground bolts

Thanks Ed.  To clarify - the bolts are the same as what is used to attach the negative battery cable to the block, behind the alternator on a '70?

Would the original finish have been Phosphate / P&O on those?  I don't imagine they would have been on the block when it was originally painted, but maybe?


Ah, one more question...  If two clips are used on the cable, would both clips be wrapped around the heat shield sleeve?
Was the purpose of the sleeve to protect the cable from the heat of the block, or from the heat of the exhaust pipes near the starter?  I've always wondered about seeing the placement of it at the motor mount...

[rayms69]

Joe sikoras 69 cobra jet pics, i saw the two cable brackets mounted on the motor mount somewhere else. I like it better than using the motor bolts, wouldnt want to mess up the pretty blue paint.

[specialed]

amk has the bolts goldish plating & added after engine paint & sheathing goes on both straps

[Mike_B_SVT]

Thanks again Ed, Ray, and everyone!  I appreciate the info and help with the details.

Have a great day!