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Offline Angela

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Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« on: July 25, 2011, 02:43:07 PM »
Concerning the small anodized aluminum center molding (C7ZZ-8221-AR) that bridges the gap between the two large grille moldings, can
anyone tell me if the studs on the back side of the center molding were originally smooth or threaded? I have seen stamped steel nuts holding
this piece to the grille. I have also seen smooth studs with a spring clip and no threads on the studs. I don't know if both represent factory
attachment methods.

Offline J_Speegle

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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 05:01:28 PM »
Is the car a 67 or 68? And what assembly plant ?


Sure you mentioned this in the past but we forget with all the questions :(
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2011, 11:27:52 AM »
Hi Jeff. Sorry for not providing necessary detail. :-(

1967, SanJose.

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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2011, 07:32:47 PM »
Forgive my "bump" of this post, yet I had hopes that Jeff might know something about the center grille molding joint, based on the request for year and assembly plant.

I'm just trying to figure out if different plants used different attachment mechanisms (spring clips vs stamped steel nuts) or if some of the center joints I own are just old repros.

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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 11:19:46 PM »
Will check the 67's at the shop over the next couple of days
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 08:25:21 PM »
All the ones I found had the steel metal style nut
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2023, 08:41:18 PM »
Old topic but current problem.  Are the studs on the joint molding smooth or threaded? I have a new part with smooth studs. I have the pressed nuts but am guessing if the studs are smooth the install might break off the studs.
David Knab

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April 5, 1968 Build Date, Metuchen Plant

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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2023, 01:31:15 AM »
Old topic but current problem.  Are the studs on the joint molding smooth or threaded?

Before they are installed for the first time the studs are tapered and smooth. The retaining nut cuts the threads into the soft metal as you install in
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2023, 09:59:03 AM »
Thank you.  Before I install this piece does someone have a picture of the 2 nuts that secures the part? According to the assembly manual pages 11 and 12 front end section,  the part is item U and the part number for it is 381943-s36. This is a different part number from the narrow trim piece 4 nuts on either side listed as item N on the same pages.  That part number is 375942-s36 that I think we all agree is a pressed metal nut.
David Knab

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April 5, 1968 Build Date, Metuchen Plant

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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2023, 04:19:15 PM »
David : Hardware Part Niumber 381943 that you noted is a flat, rectangular, spring nut for a 3/16" stud (first picture attached). The 375942 that you noted is a stamped steel, cone and flange, hex. 10-24, threaded nut. Like the others, I have only seen smooth, non-threaded studs on the center covers. Possibly, the early reproductions might have been threaded, but like the originals that I am familiar wiyth, most, if not all, current reproductions have the smoothg stud, and come with the flat, spring nuts.

However, alot of used originals are seen to have the stamped, self-threading, nuts (next picture attached). Possibly this was one of the many running changes during 1967, or maybe Service Parts came this way (?). Jim notes the 373503 stamped self-threading nut as "Alt" in his Hardwarew Spreadsheet for 1967-68, although IO'mnot sure where the alternate designationoriginated.

If I were installing the cover, I would use the flat spring nut, if i envisdioned never having to remove them. They are easy to install (they just push on), and will hld the cover tightly against the joint ; but,they are a "bear" to remove,ewspecially without breaking the stud.
If you think that "down the road", you might want, or have to) remove the cover, I would opt for the stamped, sewlf-threading nuts. To reduce the chance of breaking the stud, I would pre-thread it with the self-threwading nut. Hold trhew stud with a needle-nose vice grip or similar, just below the nut, and start the nut on the stud. Keeop moving the vice grip downas threads are cut. THis may take some of the torque off of the stud. Self-thgrewading nuts typically don't cut very deep threads, so i you get one for a 3/16" stud, it should be OK.

Hope this helps.

Bob
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2023, 05:03:19 PM »
Jim notes the 373503 stamped self-threading nut as "Alt" in his Hardwarew Spreadsheet for 1967-68, although IO'mnot sure where the alternate designationoriginated.
Actually, I stated that this nut was "MEA" in the data source (DATA SRC), not "ALT", and by definition is an indication that it was found on a 67 of 68 Mustang (Sorry, I can't be more specific, It was decades ago), and included a full statement in the DATA SOURCE as N7-8105-3,N8-8105-3 (REF,MEASURED). I'm not advocating it's use, only if found in this application on your car, don't panic and remove it. And note that it was also used in other applications on a 67 so an assembly substitution is possible.
As far as nut 381943-S36 is concerned, it is designed to go on a 3/16 metal or plastic stud, or a 3/16 threaded "screw". It can be threaded on or pushed on. It's also sometimes difficult to remove. That "feature" I've encountered a lot (yes, it is two words).
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Re: Center grille joint molding Question C7ZZ-8221-AR
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2023, 05:13:47 PM »
Thank you all for the responses.  The flat spring nut is what I received with the new joint molding so I'll use them.  And the pressed steel nuts have been cleaned,  zinc and dichromate plated for the narrow trim piece with new studs.  This was all very helpful.  Thank you again.
David Knab

1968 Sunlit Gold Coupe Sprint B
289 2V, AT, PS
Nugget Gold Interior
April 5, 1968 Build Date, Metuchen Plant

2019 Bullitt Highland Green K7662