Topic: Hipo Book

[Original K]

Being one of the original 9 owners of a 641/2 mustang, ordered April 24, built July 11, I thought I knew it all. This is a K code unrestored, but painted, all original body never been apart or damaged. I read the post from caspian65 on Tony Gregory's hipo book and mentioned several errors in it. Shure enough my early K does not have the plates as my exhaust hangers are bolted on with 5/16 bolts into a welded nut in the rail. Later 65 to 67 hangers had through the frame 3/8 bolts needing the support plates. My hangers are quite different from later stangs. Had to rebuild them. The book states all K code and all 65 to 67 factory dual exhaust Mustang's had these plate's. What other errors have you found? Regard's Phil  5F07K196056

[jwc66k]

Being one of the original 9 owners of a 641/2 mustang, ordered April 24, built July 11, 5F07K196056

I'm curious. How did you determine this?
Jim

[Original K]

In a post by caspian65 on the hipo book, Charles states he found several errors in the book one of which all K code and all 65 to 67 factory equipped dual exhaust mustang's had the frame rail support plates for the hangers. My early K does not have them. My hangers are attached with 5/16 bolts into a welded nut not thru bolted with 3/8 bolts and nuts. I would like to know what other errors he found in the book. Phil

[jwc66k]

Most of the errors that would affect you are in the paint markings used to identify parts. For the most part the registry section has transcription errors or owner input errors that are in the list (wrong rear axle code, wrong color for that year, etc). Your car's early build date has always been a concern as there is not too much documentation on what Ford was doing at that time. The first HP documented exhaust system used a transverse muffler, however Arvinode exhaust system is not in the book. There are other omissions and if you are looking for a list, there most likely isn't one. My HP book is marked up for my own car's year, model and plant. That's what you should do.
Now back to my original question -

Being one of the original 9 owners of a 641/2 mustang, ordered April 24, built July 11, 5F07K196056

How, who or where did you determine this?
Jim 

[Original K]

Jim. I determined this when I installed a new repro transverse muffler system like the original. The original rear hangers have the frame bracket with a rivet attaching a looped rubber insulator and another rivet on the bottom of the insulator to attach the clamp for the exhaust pipe. The frame bracket is drilled for 5/16 bolts. The support plates mentioned in the hipo book are for the later hangers that use 3/8 through the frame bolts  and 65 to 67 stangs. If you look in your hipo book at the 641/2 system you will see what I mean. See the small bolts in the frame bracket. Then look at the 65 to 66 frame bracket bolts. Thanks for your reply Phil
P.S. NPD now stocks my original type hangers but quite pricy, $54.95 each.

[jwc66k]

Being one of the original 9 owners of a 641/2 mustang, ordered April 24, built July 11, 5F07K196056

Phil,
All I'm interested is where you got the above order and build information.
Jim

[Original K]

Jim  If you are asking if I have the paper work for the order, build dates, build sheet, door plate, window sheet, owner card, etc., I have it all! Phil

[Jack65K]

Jim  If you are asking if I have the paper work for the order, build dates, build sheet, door plate, window sheet, owner card, etc., I have it all! Phil

I think he is asking how you determined that you are one of only 9 original owners of 1964 1/2 Mustang as you stated in your original post.
Jack

[Original K]

Jim & Jack  Back in 2009, Kathy Miller formed the 641/2 original owners group for the 45th anniversary at Birmingham AL. After several months of looking all she could locate was 9 owners including herself. Sadly since then, 2 have passed away. Their maybe a few more now since that event. September 2009 Mustang Monthly has the story and pictures of us. Regards Phil.

[jwc66k]

Phil,
  Your original statement intrigued me as there is little production or sales information that exists for early Mustangs, and all Ford products, prior to 1967. What information is available is Ford from marketing and it is vague in its content and validity. A tabulation made in 2009 about ordering and production data is striking, but alas not really informative without backup. That was my original request. The many registries about 1964 thru 66 Mustangs do not reflect your statement and even in them, there are errors. I commend those that have organized those registries and to those that have contributed to them. I hope that one day they get re-published with the accumulation of more input acquired over time. It's the best that we can do under the circumstances.
Jim

[CharlesTurner]

Thanks for posting.  I believe the main point of contention here is that the group of known 64 1/2 owners are really just those that are known by the organized group.  For all we know, there are 100 or more additional original owners out there who are not aware of the group or not interested.

It's like the lady that has been identified as the first buyer of a Mustang.  Without supporting documentation, there is no way to be 100% correct that she was the first buyer.  Folks get wary of "1 of x" claims, especially when they can't be backed up with supporting documentation.  Most times it is harmless, but sometimes it is attached to the advertising of a car for sale, with the only motive being to attract more attention and hopefully get more $$.

[Original K]

Charles. Please note in my original post  I said their were only 9 original owners of 641/2 Mustangs that could be found for the 45th. I did not mean or imply that their were no other original owners. Kathy has found a few more for the 50th. Hope that clears this up. Regards Phil

[CharlesTurner]

Charles. Please note in my original post  I said their were only 9 original owners of 641/2 Mustangs that could be found for the 45th. I did not mean or imply that their were no other original owners. Kathy has found a few more for the 50th. Hope that clears this up. Regards Phil

Thanks Phil.  Glad you are here participating!