Topic: Window adjustment plate

[Anghelrestorations]

Well Bob I think you said it best "typically painted" is the best way to describe these but allow for them to be unpainted, silver and black.  I think it would be too difficult in a judged event to write down for all three plants when the cars were being made what the style of plates would be installed during different periods.  And there is still going to be exceptions to the rule that just didnt follow the process.  In the end I think for what I am focused on here is Dearborn cars (Shelby and Boss 429) and Metuchen (Boss 302) I would be happy with wording that said typically painted in 69 and 70 to avoid things like this........ 

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[Bob Gaines]

I for one appreciate the discussion .

[hopey]

Since both 69 and 70 share window adjustment plates to eliminate lumping 69 and 70 all together what is the consensicious on 69 window adjustment plates plant to plant? For example Dearborn cars of 69 are my particular field of interest and those were typically painted I have found.

Bob, that certainly would be consistent with the data/samples that Jeff has documented showing early Dearborn 70s were body color painted and possibly transitioned during production. It would stand to reason that earlier builds (69 model year) would be body colored. I guess further research/photos of unmolested 69 Dearborn originals would prove that.

[Bob Gaines]

Bob, that certainly would be consistent with the data/samples that Jeff has documented showing early Dearborn 70s were body color painted and possibly transitioned during production. It would stand to reason that earlier builds (69 model year) would be body colored. I guess further research/photos of unmolested 69 Dearborn originals would prove that.

Well  I have seen plenty of those survivor 69?s that confirm what is typical in my experience since those are the ones i focus on. At least at Dearborn.

[J_Speegle]

Believe having open discussions where evidence and findings can be posted and shared helps the hobby and the confidence level for those building and showing their cars. Challenge is all the nuances and how to capture them when creating judging sheets with very small amount of space available. SAAC sheets are currently just about 20 pages. Including the face page with car and owner info and often a second information check sheet for options and features for 68 cars up due to increased body styles and number of options so really 18 pages or so

[jwc66k]

To those afflicted with "part-number phobia", the original Ford engineering part number is C9ZA-65234A30 (reference the "1970 Mustang Body Assembly Manual" - AM0031 pg 55, item 13 - it's what I have handy) and the Ford service stock number (used by Ford dealers parts' departments) is C9ZZ-65234A30-A (which refers back to the Ford engineering part number so the part can be correctly built and inspected).
(Note: The service stock number say 69-71 applications.)
The two attaching (per side) bolts are 383049-S100.
Without the current revision of the original Ford engineering document for this item, plus any dated assembly line engineering generated variations (based on the variations shown, and, in this case, plant peculiar changes), and dated purchasing records, there is no "guaranteed correct part".
(MCA beware.)
Jim

[RocketScientist]

Typically, for those painted body color, there should also be shadow marks on the cowl, where they were placed for painting.

[J_Speegle]

Typically, for those painted body color, there should also be shadow marks on the cowl, where they were placed for painting.

As mentioned above this would happen only happen typically on a 1970 of the plates were located to the far edge of that top cowl panel or the painter that applied the engine compartment and up to the windshield opening got lazy. Other wise like typically happened the black covered those shadows.

Personally I've had a very difficult time finding shadows from painting the plates body color. A lot easier to find them on the prior year.


Examples of the black out or black paint on examples from all three plants during 70 production. More or less