Author Topic: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification  (Read 3897 times)

Offline CharlesTurner

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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2021, 12:57:53 AM »
I said - What are you reading?
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See Richard's post above.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2021, 01:10:44 PM »
See Richard's post above.
You made a comment after mine so I assumed you were commenting on mine, but it wasn't. That's sort of confusing.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2021, 02:29:08 AM »
I finally had the chance to remove the nut holding the cable stud on my standard 67 gas cap (first four pictures). As you can see, it is identical to the ones on Richard?s and John?s original pop open caps. This is a hex nut, top notched, distorted thread lock nut, with an attached, free spinning, conical washer, with red rubber sealing washer (detailed on attached copy of a page from the 1969 Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalog). While the Standard Parts Catalog shows the 380331 nut available in both Zinc and Cadmium plated, and the MPC?s show it to be Zinc plated, mine shows evidence of being zinc dichromate plated.

The MPC?s show that this (Service Part) nut was used for both the Standard and Pop-open gas caps, and both the 1967 and 1968 Chassis Assembly Manuals, when read closely ("Same as Main View Except as shown" ; Main View shows 380331-S8).

Interestingly, if you are looking for this nut, it is shown as being used on the Rear Door Handles of 1965-68 Full Size Fords, and on the Rear Doors of 1966-68 Thunderbirds (copies of Illustrations from 1960-68 MPC attached).

Finally, in regard to the ?illusive? 52064 attaching screws for the Pop-open gas cap, I did find this screw listed in the Ford Corporate Standard Parts Book. As the Standard Parts shown in this book are engineering/ manufacturing specific as opposed to application specific, no specific finishes are shown for the detailed hardware.. All of the different finishes available at the time of printing are described in detail, which appears to suggest that any desired finish could be applied to any, or most any, of the parts detailed.

One item of specific interest to this thread, is that the 52064 part is shown to be a flat head,Phillips, self-threading screw (like those shown in the second picture of John?s Reply # 3), and not oval head, as shown in the fourth picture of Richard?s Reply # 6,  furnished from his ?Down Under? friend.

I hope this gives a little more insight to this somewhat puzzling detail.

Bob
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2021, 08:38:13 AM »

This is the original nut on my 68 Dearborn CJ.

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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2023, 09:38:19 AM »
I pulled off my original nut from my 68 pop open gas cap. On the left is the original nut with moveable washer and some sort of gasket material underneath. On the right is the nut I got from NPD - not correct.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2023, 12:19:48 PM »
I pulled off my original nut from my 68 pop open gas cap. On the left is the original nut with moveable washer and some sort of gasket material underneath. On the right is the nut I got from NPD - not correct.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2023, 02:28:04 PM »
The different nut may be what's in Ford Car Parts as a "genuine Ford replacement" nut.
Jim
PS: I looked. The replacement is 380331-S7/8 (and "variations on finish) as shown in "Ford Car Parts" (aka MPC), 1975 ed, Section 90, page 4. For reference, it's a 12-24 thread.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2023, 03:52:42 PM »
The different nut may be what's in Ford Car Parts as a "genuine Ford replacement" nut.
Jim
PS: I looked. The replacement is 380331-S7/8 (and "variations on finish) as shown in "Ford Car Parts" (aka MPC), 1975 ed, Section 90, page 4. For reference, it's a 12-24 thread.

Ah hah. Thinking out loud, if you don't have the original part to compare when purchasing from any vendor,  it would be helpful in the description of the part to mention that fact,  that is a replacement part versus original reproduction. Granted the onus is on us the buyer to check and verify .

Thank you for the info.
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Re: 67 (& 68?)Pop-open Style Fuel Cap Hardware Clarification
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2023, 04:25:30 PM »
It looks like the "replacement" nut you got is Ford hardware part number 55733-S8, which has one application as documented in the Mustang Assembly Manuals, 1973 steering column support (my notes say "vague") and it has a -S2 finish.
A similar "different replacement" item exists in the wing screw (359966-S8) used to hold the snorkel to the air cleaner on 64-67 289 engines (except HP) air cleaners. The original is of a "two piece" construction (screw and wing), the replacement is of a molded construction design.
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