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Offline J_Speegle

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65 SJ Quarter Extension Retaining Nuts & Hardware Finishes
« on: December 05, 2020, 05:53:57 PM »
We've covered 1966 San Jose quarter panel extension/end cap retaining nuts in another thread but the question came up elsewhere the other day about 65 San Jose cars and I figured it should be shared here also to benefit the members and lurkers

As a reminder the 66 San Jose thread/discussion

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=16965.msg106268#msg106268


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NOTE: For others reading this make sure your match matches the same specific details (when and where the car was built) before you consider applying what follows. Details are different even at the same plant in other production years or even periods such as weeks or months in some cases

As mentioned the end caps were installed prior to the exterior color being applied to the trunk and exterior. Painters did not always take the time to turn the spray gun backwards and get paint in all the unseen corners of the trunk ? as evident by pictures of unrestored cars.  The end caps away from the body approx. 1/2" allowing the paint to wrap around the end cap and the end of the panels it attached to. At this time, we don?t know how they were held in place during the first production year as on some show body color consistent with spray patterns up to and around the mounting holes.   There are other examples where there is evidence of body color on the sealant suggesting during other periods the sealant was in place and exposed to the paint during that process.  Hope to be able to study the before and after paint sealant data to see if we can get an idea of when the process may have changed.

Because the end caps were placed on the unibody during the paint process the studs exposed in the trunk were painted when the painter applied paint in those areas, if and when they did. When the nut and washer combination were installed this compressed the sealant and removed the paint from the threads of the mounting studs leaving them with body color on the tips only as shown below in the pictures.

As the nuts and washers were tightened with power tools applying a consistent amount of pressure often the sealant squeezed out in a somewhat uniform way creating a thin tube-like structure as seem below.

I've posted some examples from around the time period (not real close this time but representations of the practices of the time and plant


Hope this helps

No paint on the studs since too light of paint application in the area (very little to none on the panel in that area



Paint on the tips here  - lot more paint in the area



Mix in the area - Not easy to see



Painted tips



If it were mine I would do the painted tip in areas where there was paint on the interior of the trunk around the attachment point

Hope this helps - sorry for being long. Just trying to cover all the angles and possibilities truthfully

« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 04:21:35 PM by J_Speegle »
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Re: 65 SJ Quarter Extension Retaining Nuts & Hardware Finishes
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2021, 04:31:36 PM »
Revisiting older threads as I often do, when new details appear or things need correction or clarifications. Following up on a number of related reviews of this subject I apparently posted, on a couple of other threads, that 65's had one nut installed to hold the end caps in place prior to the paint process resulting typically having two body colored nut and washer combination on the finished car. In those posts I apparently let the 1966 San Jose practice cloud my response and want to take this opportunity to correct those mistakes and and make readers aware of the facts as we know them currently.

I rewrote the initial post to better clarify what the findings have been so far and expect to follow up with at least an attempt at trying to figure out when the change of adding sealant before the paint process may have taken place.

Sorry not perfect. Just have to try harder
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Re: 65 SJ Quarter Extension Retaining Nuts & Hardware Finishes
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 06:04:41 PM »
Thanks!
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