Topic: 1967 deluxe steering wheel

[jwc66k]

Oh, I know this one. 

That deluxe Mustang reproduction steering wheel will not fit the tilt - tilt away column in 1967, because there is a rolled lip on the top collar of those tilt columns. We have found that the repro deluxe Mustang wheel can be used if a 1967 Thunderbird upper collar is substituted. The T-bird upper tilt collars do not have the rolled lip.
To be honest though, there is still a little bit of a gap remaining, but still looks good and works with the collar swap.
1967 T-Bird tilt collar on left, 1967 Mustang and Cougar upper tilt collar on the right.

I like your style. You get the "MacGyver" award.
Jim

[Ralf]

Yes, I read exactly this on WCCCs website ;-)

However, I'm not able to figure out the differences repro vs. original wheel that makes the need of using T-Birds collars for repros.

Cancelling cam is not part of the wheel itself. If I look to the rings + hole on the backside of the wheels, I do not see any differences.
May be I need new glasses ;-)

Any pics available?

Ralf

[67gtasanjose]

The cancelling cam is found ONLY on the tilt columns (non-tilt wheels the cancelling cam are built into the turn signal switch itself, therefor the cam is NOT used)..The tilt wheel cancelling cam is the same (read as interchangeable) for standard "color-keyed" steering wheels and deluxe (woodgrain) steering wheels. Repo's of the 68-up version tilt column cancelling cam are available (at WCCC, NPD and many more) and presumably work on the 67's too, but I have not tried them. Original '67 cams are white plastic and the 68-up and repro's are black plastic.

[drummingrocks]

Glad I found this thread.  I had thought about adding a deluxe steering wheel on my '67 (original tilt/tele column).  So the reproduction wheel won't fit without using the Thunderbird collar, but an original '67 assembly-line deluxe wheel will fit without changing the collar?

[Ralf]

Glad I found this thread.  I had thought about adding a deluxe steering wheel on my '67 (original tilt/tele column).  So the reproduction wheel won't fit without using the Thunderbird collar, but an original '67 assembly-line deluxe wheel will fit without changing the collar?

Seems to be, yes.
However, I could not figure out, what are the differences between the original and repro and therefore I still do not know why repro is not fitting.
I have asked Rick from NPD as well, they do not know either. Have asked also other repro seller, no clue.
Even WCCC could not give me an answer, except to use TBird column, but no reason why.


Finally,  if someone is willingly to sell his original deluxe woodgrain steering wheel (in nice condition, w/o cracks), I would be glad to buy it.


Thx
Ralf

[krelboyne]

Even WCCC could not give me an answer, except to use TBird column, but no reason why.

Thx
Ralf

Ralf, we simply don't know, because the 1967 Mustang Deluxe steering wheel was not available on a 1967 Cougar.

[MJP67]

Has anyone figured out any more info on this?  I have a tilt coming and was planning on using a repop deluxe wheel.  If the thunderbird collar works, is something slightly off on the lower wheel trim collar?  Hmm, maybe I need to pick up an original lower collar to compare, or ask someone to measure theirs.  Thoughts?

[stangerdude]

I have used the reproduction (ACP) wood grain deluxe steering wheel on a few customers factory tilt column cars with no issues at all. No gaps no rubbing etc. Maybe these cars were the exceptions to the rule? You will need to add the turn signal cancel cam to the back of the wheel that is also available in reproduction. And personally, while not correct, I think the standard wheel horn pad looks much better than the correct hard to find pad for the wood grain wheel. I know....not concourse but it looks better to me!    Paul

[MJP67]

Thanks Paul!  I saw that Scott Drake says theirs is not recommended for the tilt/tilt away, and after this thread I just assumed I would need to figure out what doesn’t fit and fix it.  I’ll have to see who caries the ACP wheel to start with.  Since mine isn’t late enough to have the short shaft steering box, I’ll have to figure out which one I need.  I see there are 1” and a 1 1/8” sector shaft versions so that will be my next task.

[7R02A]

I purchased the repro deluxe wheel with the horn ring and collars for my 67.  Installed them on my orginal tilt column and have had no issues.  The top coller on the steering column is the correct one for a Mustang with the rolled lip.  I also have 2 lower collars (chrome part of steering wheel assembly) off of orginal deluxe sterling wheels and even though they do not have part numbers on them, I can not measure or find anything that is different from the repos.  This has been my experience.
John

[67gta289]

I’m trying to assess the difference between the standard C6OZ-3520-A steering wheel spring and the tilt C7SZ-3530-A.   The MPC lists both.  The assembly manual infers that only the tilt gets a spring. 

The third picture has a known tilt C7SZ spring on the right.  The spring in the left is not known.  If the standard/non-tilt wheel came with a spring, can someone reply with a picture and dimension? 

Thanks, John

[krelboyne]

The difference is roughly the thickness of the cancelling cam. Not saying that is the answer, but maybe.

The spring is needed to keep the bearings in the upper knuckle on a tilt.

Tony Augustine is the Ford tilt repair and expert these days. He is in Missouri

alisatonyaug@aol.com is his email.

[196667Bob]

As far as I know, the non-tilt wheels also have springs, although the two are different. Attached picture (for which you'll need to zoom in) , while not the best, is of my original non-tilt column, in which the spring appears to be there, just as the MPC's note that it should be. Of course, unfortunately, I can't give you a better picture or dimensions, since you know where it resides.

I think the problem is the wording in the Assembly Manual. Where it notes "For Dual Action Tilt Only", with the triangle symbol for the footnote. As I read this after several times, it means that the spring is part of the tilt column assembly itself, as opposed to a separate "loose" part that can be put on during assembly of the non-tilt column ; not that a spring is only for the tilt column.

Just a thought.

Bob