Topic: Part verses Engineering Number Discussion

[PerkinsRestoration]

NOTE: The first nine posts were separated from another thread and placed here since we got off thread a bit.

C4ZF-10B944-R, C4ZF-10944-F, C5ZF-10B944-C are real part numbers, C5ZZ-10B960-B, -C, -D, -F are stock number.
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I beg to differ---as a current Ford parts dude,we never refer to the eng# as a part number !
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BOB--Phenomenal couple of posts !

+1 Ford Engineering numbers are not Ford part numbers. Everyone in Ford Parts and Service learns the difference first day on the job.

[jwc66k]

C4ZF-10B944-R, C4ZF-10944-F, C5ZF-10B944-C are real part numbers, C5ZZ-10B960-B, -C, -D, -F are stock number.
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I beg to differ---as a current Ford parts dude,we never refer to the eng# as a part number !
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BOB--Phenomenal couple of posts !

+1 Ford Engineering numbers are not Ford part numbers. Everyone in Ford Parts and Service learns the difference first day on the job.

I beg to differ. You cannot make a replacement item without using a Ford engineering part number. One more time -  a service number is a stock number, a spot on the shelf. The system Ford service uses is no different than Home Depot or any other store today. Home Depot uses a SKU number (Stock Keeping Unit) to order, inventory, stock and sell an item. The actual item has a manufacturer number used at its plant to make it. Ford service personnel are indoctrinated on day one because that service number is all they see, except when they open the box the part came in. For them, it works. For the rest of the world, and I'll include you as well, Ford Engineering part numbers still exist and are used.
Jim
CPIM (Certified in Production and Inventory Management)
Production Control Manager (four companies, Silicon Valley)
Inventory Manger (three companies, Silicon Valley)
Master Scheduler (five companies, Silicon Valley)
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[PerkinsRestoration]

BS, I've been involved in Ford parts since 1975. I worked in parts at Hornburg Ford in Oconomowoc Wi. from 75-82. I've bought obsolete Ford parts from over 3500 Ford dealers dealing with over 3500 parts men some who were also the owners of the dealerships. Engineering numbers are not Ford part numbers! I have dealt with Green Sales Co the largest Ford obsolete parts dealer in the world since 1979. You do not understand the Ford Parts and Service division if you think engineering numbers are Ford Part numbers! If you don't believe me I can put you in touch with Jim Bienick who was  the assistant plant manager at the Ford National Detroit Parts Depot in Livonia Mi during the 70's and early 80's. Jim also worked at the Brownstown Ford Parts Redistribution center which was the largest warehouse under one roof in the world in 1970. Jim would be glad to explain the difference between part numbers and engineering numbers. FMC is not Home depot or Walmart!

[jwc66k]

BS, I've been involved in Ford parts since 1975.
I worked in parts at Hornburg Ford in Oconomowoc Wi. from 75-82.
I've bought obsolete Ford parts from over 3500 Ford dealers dealing with over 3500 parts men some who were also the owners of the dealerships.
Engineering numbers are not Ford part numbers!
I have dealt with Green Sales Co the largest Ford obsolete parts dealer in the world since 1979.
You do not understand the Ford Parts and Service division if you think engineering numbers are Ford Part numbers!

Thanks, you have proved my point. Every sentence you use is related to SERVICE parts, not manufactured parts. After the shelf is empty, what do you do?
Jim     

[PerkinsRestoration]

 Jim, Your terminology is incorrect, Engineering numbers are not part numbers!

[jwc66k]

Your terminology is incorrect, Engineering numbers are not part numbers!

What numbers were used by engineering to design an item, aka part?
What numbers were used to order that item?
What numbers were used to receive that item?
What numbers were used to inspect that item?
What numbers were used to stock that item?
What numbers were used to issue that item to the assembly line?
There are many examples of "engineering" numbers on build sheets in full or abbreviated form (plus color codes). 
So far all those numbers were to describe an item that was under engineering's control - aka an engineering number. Service did its own thing.
Jim
 

[PerkinsRestoration]

What numbers were used by engineering to design an item, aka part?
What numbers were used to order that item?
What numbers were used to receive that item?
What numbers were used to inspect that item?
What numbers were used to stock that item?
What numbers were used to issue that item to the assembly line?
There are many examples of "engineering" numbers on build sheets in full or abbreviated form (plus color codes). 
So far all those numbers were to describe an item that was under engineering's control - aka an engineering number. Service did its own thing.
Jim

  Try ordering a part using an engineering number, Good luck 

[jwc66k]

Try ordering a part using an engineering number, Good luck

I did not say that.
You said -

Engineering numbers are not part numbers!

I asked:

What numbers were used by engineering to design an item, aka part?
What numbers were used to order that item?
What numbers were used to receive that item?
What numbers were used to inspect that item?
What numbers were used to stock that item?
What numbers were used to issue that item to the assembly line?
There are many examples of "engineering" numbers on build sheets in full or abbreviated form (plus color codes). 
So far all those numbers were to describe an item that was under engineering's control - aka an engineering number. Service did its own thing.

You were "indoctrinated" by Ford to use service numbers to order customer service parts from the Ford Car Parts manuals (aka MPC - now online). Some of the part numbers listed in the MPC are in the format of engineering part numbers, but the parts guy does not care, the customer does not care, Ford does not care. Then part goes in the customer's car, the customer pays Ford, all is well. The customer does not see the part number. On this forum, it is IMPORTANT that all forum members understand the Ford part number system - actually systems - and can tell the difference. Part number questions are asked. I explained the what and why. I won't comment about your interpretation.
Jim

[C6ZZGT]

I`ll stick with Bob and my original statement ! All you have to do is look at an aluminum rim and see the numbers on it---the eng # gets you a rim and then depending on how it is finished--painted,chrome,polished you get a finished part and a part number. Many hub caps are the same--many eng #s on them and depending on how it gets finished---paint,chrome etc you then get a finished part and a part number. Engine blocks are the same--they all have an eng # on them but depending on the finish machining they get they can then get a part number.

[70cj428]

I`ll stick with Bob and my original statement !

+ 1 , There are cylinder heads and blocks that start life as the same casting but are machined and finished differently, these would have the same engineering number but different part numbers. D1AE-GA Cleveland heads are an example. Both have the same "Engineering number" on the part but can be finished as Boss 351 heads or 71 "M" code heads, each having a unique part number and are not directly interchangeable, FE blocks are even worse, some blocks can have the same "Engineering number" cast on them and be completely different castings, some have no Engineering number on them at all

[sah62]

There is at least one Ford publication that uses the term "engineering part number": the master cross reference manual. I've attached pictures of examples. This manual uses the term "parts and accessories part number" to describe the number used for sales, orders, etc.