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Offline 66RavenGTCoupe

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65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« on: March 18, 2016, 06:23:20 AM »
Hi Guys,
I found these tags on my wife's Sept 64 SJ convertible. Ball joints are bolted in so the were replaced right?
Are the tags original?

Thanks,

Dan.
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BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
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Offline 67gta289

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 06:33:41 AM »
That is correct.  A pretty common wear item.
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2016, 12:32:16 PM »
That is correct.  A pretty common wear item.
+1 . tags not assemblyline.
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2016, 02:37:43 PM »
Labels were commonly included in the replacement kits of a number of the big suppliers in the 70-80's
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 08:10:43 AM »
Anyone have pics or info on how these control arms should be restored?

From what I can tell from the originals the arm and shaft are satin black and bolts and large shaft end nuts are phosphate and oil. Nuts that mount inside engine bay are zinc.
Is this correct?
66 Metuchen, NJ  GT Coupe
Raven, Deluxe Black Int
6T07A1612##
BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
PIO (Performance Image Option - GT)

Offline J_Speegle

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 06:57:26 PM »
Anyone have pics or info on how these control arms should be restored?

From what I can tell from the originals the arm and shaft are satin black and bolts and large shaft end nuts are phosphate and oil. Nuts that mount inside engine bay are zinc.
Is this correct?

The shaft and ends are dark heat treated steel. Doesn't mean much in the long runs since that end of the A arm will all get dipped in black paint before installing the arm
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 07:09:14 PM »
Thanks Jeff,
So basically top end of arm, including shaft and bolts are all semi gloss black and lower third of arm where ball joint attaches is natural?
66 Metuchen, NJ  GT Coupe
Raven, Deluxe Black Int
6T07A1612##
BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
PIO (Performance Image Option - GT)

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 07:20:27 PM »
Thanks Jeff,
So basically top end of arm, including shaft and bolts are all semi gloss black and lower third of arm where ball joint attaches is natural?
Correct - about 2/3rd black - 1/3rd natural once everything is assembled
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 07:26:23 PM »
Awesome,
Thanks Jeff. ;)
66 Metuchen, NJ  GT Coupe
Raven, Deluxe Black Int
6T07A1612##
BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
PIO (Performance Image Option - GT)

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 08:50:50 PM »
Thanks Jeff,
So basically top end of arm, including shaft and bolts are all semi gloss black and lower third of arm where ball joint attaches is natural?
to add , they were dipped in paint using the ball joint end as a lifting point . I replicate that using a rectangle trash can filled with semigloss black paint and let hanging to dry. I seal the trash can lid to preserve the paint for next dipping session. You can't get as good of a paint line by taping off.
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2016, 08:53:32 PM »
I promise to be politically correct in all my posts to keep the BBBB from vociferating.

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2016, 01:29:28 AM »
Good link, Thanks.  8)

Are the ball joint ends treated or just left bare to rust?

Also just realised that the thread on the A arms where the large shaft nuts screw in are damaged to the point that the nuts just spin in the hole. They tighten up once the shaft is installed but restrict the shaft pivot somewhat. Do I have to get rid of these arms or can this be repaired?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2016, 01:36:38 AM by 66RavenGTCoupe »
66 Metuchen, NJ  GT Coupe
Raven, Deluxe Black Int
6T07A1612##
BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
PIO (Performance Image Option - GT)

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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2016, 05:24:02 PM »
Are the ball joint ends treated or just left bare to rust?

For shipping and storage believe they were coated to reduce/eliminate rust. Don't often rust on a well cared for car.



o just realised that the thread on the A arms where the large shaft nuts screw in are damaged to the point that the nuts just spin in the hole. They tighten up once the shaft is installed but restrict the shaft pivot somewhat. Do I have to get rid of these arms or can this be repaired?

If the threads are stripped out on the arm its often easier to start with better ones than try and repair. Some drivers you may find tack weld the large end nuts to the A arm. Something done at alignment nuts to hide that they stripped out   ::)
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Re: 65 Upper Control Arm Tags
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2016, 01:08:33 AM »
Here is another example of ones used by some/one of the aftermarket ball joint makers in the past - sent to me by   drschones


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